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Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by OvidNaso »

martypitt wrote: post #121
Sir_Substance wrote: post #108

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You've fallen into the classic trap: No one is obliged to give you money. Finding a business model that works is your problem, not your customers. Forced lock-in is a model, but it's a violent one that makes people want to leave, and it's entirely predicated on there never being an escape hatch for your trapped customers. There is now an escape hatch for content customers. They're no longer beholden to the choice of…

No one is obliged to give me money -- unless they consume the content I created. At that point, they are. Anything else assumes that because content exists, people have the right to consume it -- for free if they can work out how. Let's be clear: I fully agree that Hollywood needs to catch up, and make content accessible in the way that Popcorn time has. But I don't have the right to consume content illegally, just b…

>No one is obliged to give me money -- unless they consume the content I created. At that point, they are.

I just read that sentence...am I now obliged?

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by icebraining »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #237
icebraining wrote: post #235

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When I download a song from the bittorrent network, I'm under no contract with the label to pay for it. On the other hand, if I coin a really good new word, everyone uses it without paying me, despite the value I have provided.

You never were under contract. Someone who uploaded it probably was. Thus with them lies the breach of contract and penalties owed.

So money isn't owed because they created value, but because they had a contract, right?

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by eli »

1stop wrote: post #65
eli wrote: post #56

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Hollywood isn't in the moving bits around industry. That was never the hard part. It's like saying you improved Photoshop by making a cracked version that's easy to download.... Users might be happy, but imagine you work at Adobe.

That's not really true. The big studios are distributors of the content. They traditionally sold to Cinemas, and had DVDs made, etc. The fact they missed the boat on digital distribution is completely their fault...

Sure and Adobe is distributor of Photoshop, but I wouldn't really say they're in the "downloading install files" business.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by supercanuck »

chasing wrote: post #191
astalwick wrote: post #173

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It's not oppression, you're right. It's way, way smaller than that. My little act of 'defiance' is way smaller than it would be if it were exactly oppression, too. I'm pirating content. I'm watching something that I want to watch, and at the same time, I'm hoping that my small increment of the 'pirated_copies_of_got' metric causes someone at HBO to go and sort out the way they distribute content outside of the US. Li…

Look, you don't want to pay for it. For you, free is better than having to shell out money. I wish people would just stop with their dumb moral workarounds. The show costs $X. You don't want to pay. You know how to get the content via other means. And so you do. Don't embarrass yourself further by claiming you're somehow helping HBO out by going against their wishes and pirating the show they produced. You don't know…

These arguments are so stupid to me. Joe Consumer has X amount of dollars to spend on entertainment.

Joe Consumer can find various ways of maximizing his dollars. $15 of that goes to Spotify so that he and his wife can listen to whatever music they please whenever, wherever they want (except Taylor Swift because she has a mansion in Rhode Island to pay for).

Joe Consumer would rather not pay $70 to buy Frozen on three devices, one on Blu-Ray to watch on his television, the Apple Store to watch it on an iPad on the way to Disneyland and Google Play on the Nexus Tablet after taking the kids to the theatre to watch said movie for $50 all the while hosting a Frozen themed birthday party... He would rather tell the studios to go fuck themselves and download it.

so yea, I don't want to pay for it because I feel a bit cheated that I must pay three times for the same thing.and apparently I'm an asshole because Disney isn't getting every god damn cent of entertainment dollar they are entitled to according to piracy police like you. The Rent is too damn high.

As for the musicians not getting paid, please... anybody can pick up a guitar and become a musician and post it on the internet. That does not entitle anyone to be paid for it. Nobody is shedding tears for Taylor Swift's inability to make money.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by themartorana »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #147
themartorana wrote: post #134

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Well, almost. My lease, cable, and phone bills bill ahead.

Is that appropriate though? Just because it is done that way doesn't mean it should be. It's not that uncommon for people to pay their internet in advance, only for a line outage to go unfixed for a fortnight. Patticularly in the US, internet access is a cage. There's often only one provider, and their terms and conditons declare service not guarenteed. What choice do you have? Then google fibre and municipal wifi st…

I don't know. On the one hand, I don't like pre-paying for electricity considering the potentially huge fluctuations in use. On the other hand, I don't use gas and then pay for it. I eat at a restaurant first, then pay, but I buy groceries before I eat.

So I don't know. I can see phone as being a purchase of a block of X to use. The same with rent. Almost all internet comes with an uptime guarantee - say it's 99.9%, if it's down for more than 45 minutes, even Comcast will provide a credit.

I suppose it comes down to how you agree to consume it. I don't mind the 24 hour model on video rentals, when I can start that 24 hours any time within 30 days. I'm purchasing the right to watch the movie as many times as I want in a 24 hour window sometime in the next month. That said, I also believe that if I purchase unlimited video in the form of a DVD or download, I have the right to device-shift it wherever the heck I want.

This is a hairy issue.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by astalwick »

spdustin wrote: post #230
astalwick wrote: post #173

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It's not oppression, you're right. It's way, way smaller than that. My little act of 'defiance' is way smaller than it would be if it were exactly oppression, too. I'm pirating content. I'm watching something that I want to watch, and at the same time, I'm hoping that my small increment of the 'pirated_copies_of_got' metric causes someone at HBO to go and sort out the way they distribute content outside of the US. Li…

You're not going to pay, as you've said. Honor your argument, then, and go read a book.

I actually do. I'm arguing a lot in this thread, but I stopped watching game of thrones around season three. I maybe pirate a movie every 8 or 10 weeks or something? I have young kids and a startup job. :) And I have Netflix (Canadian version, no vpn, so like 1/4 the content as in the US) for when I have some free time. But frankly I do prefer books (again, audible.com is the best)

That said, content distribution is completely broken outside the US, so I'm going to shed exactly one tiny crocodile tear for HBO when I do decide to get back into game of thrones. And I sure as hell won't be paying for it, unless they give me some sane options.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by Schwolop »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #237
icebraining wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I download a song from the bittorrent network, I'm under no contract with the label to pay for it. On the other hand, if I coin a really good new word, everyone uses it without paying me, despite the value I have provided.

You never were under contract. Someone who uploaded it probably was. Thus with them lies the breach of contract and penalties owed.

This sounds a lot like you're suggesting downloading copyrighted works is acceptable, and that only the uploaders have done anything wrong. Regardless how you and I feel about that sentiment, I assure you Hollywood feels and sues differently...

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by Schwolop »

I want an amnesty on piracy, paid for by an increase in my taxes, then used to fund government grants and financial support for content creators.

Content should default to free and accessible, with few exceptions. Content creators should be able to earn a living.

Those two statements are not mutually exclusive, but the current status quo makes them so.

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