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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by maxerickson »

eof wrote: post #205

I'm really, really surprised and confused by what seems to be the overall sentiment here. This tipping project was born of a hackathon combining cryptocurrency (cool) and supporting open source projects. Awesome! Then when people started getting tipped tiny amounts it generated spam... annoying, but it was fixed. It's a bit outrageous to claim that emailing someone after they have received free money (over some thres…

I guess the aspect you aren't addressing is that people feel like a listing on the site creates an association between the site and their project (quoting from the bug report I do not want to be associated with this kind of thing.).

You can disagree about whether the listing implies an association and disagree that such an association is a bad thing, but it should be clear enough that there are people who do think it creates an association and that they do not want that appearance.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by williamcotton »

Ologn wrote: post #220
jnbiche wrote: post #119

These kinds of episodes are making me increasingly depressed. On one hand, I'm incredibly disappointed in the ethics and morality of some of the people who have latched on to Bitcoin. And sadly, I'd have to include tip4commit in that group, particularly since they are "opt-out" and yet have been spamming people after each commit [ubernostrum points out below that they aren't even "opt-out", since they're not honoring…

> If Bitcoin does fail, a large part of the blame will be one the shoulders of so many software and IT people who make a flash decision that Bitcoin was "tulips" or a "ponzi scheme" Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. That people think they have any value shows they have a fundamental misunderstanding of value. This group might include a lot of people, but the number of people who owned over-priced houses in 2008, or dot-com…

It is valuable because it is a shared public data store with equal access read and write privileges. Data stored in it is available, partitionable and eventually consistent. It works due to the economic incentives of being rewarded for validating transactions.

Prior to Bitcoin there were no shared public data stores that satisfied these requirements. Bittorrent and Freenet are not guaranteed to have data availability. That is, you can't always get what you stored. DHTs only work when they are centralized and are susceptible to a number of different attacks when operated with general public access.

The only way to interact with this data store is by being in control of Bitcoin. That is what gives value to the units of account.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by WallWextra »

mbesto wrote: post #240
art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

I think it's fair to say that the vocal majority of BitCoiners have a very naive view of some basic economic concepts.

Also that they like ramming it down everyone's throats.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by shangxiao »

Cakez0r wrote: post #239
eropple wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those projects are in the public domain. This is completely wrong. > If there are purposes that you don't want your project to be used for then forbid it in the license. This is completely inapplicable. > If I was denied the chance to receive a donation for a contribution I made to an open source project essentially because the "project owner" doesn't agree then I'd be very annoyed. Start your own project.

Thank you for taking the time to post this enlightening rebuttal.

They are all valid points, if you don't like it, argue against it, don't get snarky.

Edit: Yes thanks for that downvote, encouraging people to have an intelligent conversation through constructive arguments rather than making pointless remarks seems to be frowned upon by some people

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by Elepsis »

monort wrote: post #190
ubernostrum wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider that some of the projects they collect on "behalf" of already have donation mechanisms in place, both from a technical and legal perspective, and would prefer to see those mechanisms used.

Django don't accept bitcoin as donation.

And that is a choice they get to make because it's their project. They also don't accept mitten donations as far as I know. Are you going to collect mittens from people on their behalf and email every committer to receive their mittens?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by seivui »

jnbiche wrote: post #216
nols wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would bitcoin be better than the mobile phone banking that is already quite popular in many developing countries?

In what developing country besides Kenya is there widespread mobile banking? One advantage Bitcoin already has over m-pesa is that Bitcoin is an international currency, whereas m-pesa is confined to East Africa. This means that people in developing countries that sell their goods or services for Bitcoin have access to a currency limited, yet fully international market. Or, why not both?

Here in Uganda where I currently live mobile banking is used by pretty much everyone. Mobile solutions like m-pesa and airtel money is used by most of my Ugandan friends.

From what I have seen some of the main advantages of mobile banking are: 1. You can manage your account with any phone. Most people here just use gsm phones.

2. Opening an actual bank account is expensive. Not expensive from my western point of view. But from the perspective of local people it is.

3. It is easy. Mobile carriers are everywhere. And since cash is still the way of handling most money transfers it is very convenient to be able to, even when you are in a village in the middle of nowhere. Go to a place with the "airtel money" sign and get cash so that you can buy that roasted cassava.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by ubernostrum »

exo762 wrote: post #230
ubernostrum wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To take some examples: * In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. * In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. * In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. * In some countries it is illegal to suggest a financial relationship between yourself and another person/entity when no su…

> In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. Nope. You are not a part of service unless you accept the tip. > In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. True that. This should probably be fixed. > In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. Donation does not exist unless you accept…

So, because you are philosophically opposed to certain laws, I should have my inbox filled with a tipping "service" and my name and projects listed as available to donate to, on a donation-collection site I refuse to do business with, and have no ability to opt out of it?

Protip: close the /r/bitcoin tab, close the mises.org tab, and learn to be a decent human being.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by DanBC »

exo762 wrote: post #230
ubernostrum wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To take some examples: * In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. * In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. * In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. * In some countries it is illegal to suggest a financial relationship between yourself and another person/entity when no su…

> In some countries it is illegal to opt someone into services they didn't ask for. Nope. You are not a part of service unless you accept the tip. > In some countries it is illegal to send unsolicited emails about services. True that. This should probably be fixed. > In some countries it is illegal to accept or solicit donations without registering first with tax authorities. Donation does not exist unless you accept…

Your quotes are fucked on mobile.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by scotty79 »

So basically main point of opposition boil down to:

1. "Don't use my project name to collect money for me!"

Why not use your project name? Did you trademarked it? If not, then it's just public information and you can't control how anyone chooses to use it.

No one is collecting money for you. The guy just collects money and promises to give it to you if you ask. Until you ask it's his money.

2. "Don't spam!"

Well, spamming is certainly in bad taste. I guess he just wanted to make sure people know that he will give them some money if they ask. Probably mistake on his part.

3. "There might be some laws against some of those things in some countries."

So? There are countries that have laws that say that being gay is illegal. Nobody cares about all the laws.

I think it illustrates that you should "do NOT as you would be done by" because you might have different tastes. Personally I'm all for free pennies and all possible schemes of bringing money to developers so they can do what they wan't instead of do what others tell them to do.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by DanBC »

scotty79 wrote: post #249

So basically main point of opposition boil down to: 1. "Don't use my project name to collect money for me!" Why not use your project name? Did you trademarked it? If not, then it's just public information and you can't control how anyone chooses to use it. No one is collecting money for you. The guy just collects money and promises to give it to you if you ask. Until you ask it's his money. 2. "Don't spam!" Well, spa…

> No one is collecting money for you. The guy just collects money and promises to give it to you if you ask. Until you ask it's his money.

Did you see the bit of US tax law helpfully posted elsewhere in the thread?

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