MIT And Dropbox Alums Launch Inbox, a Next-Generation Email Platform

Pretty much none of this is true for email. You don't even want global caching here. You want responsivity, and a rich and extensible data model.

How would you move an email? How would you control whitelisting? Spam scoring? Folder ACLs? How would you sleep until a mailbox changes? Even if you _could_ represent these things as resources, it's going to be much more hairy than IMAP with the performance of POP.

The evolution of email has been completely opposite of dumbing it down. Users expect calendaring and global contact lists, and here you have the impedance mismatch _again_. Look at the mess that is CalDAV, and that's DAV which is much richer then REST.

Regarding asynchronous commands, I don't know what you think it has to do with AJAX. It is the Javascript that is asynchronous in AJAX, not the HTTP requests. Web browsers typically implement it using multiple connections. This is a problem. Do you really want connection pooling (so a server can serve _fewer_ clients)? No, you want an evented protocol. Such as IMAP.

And again, you probably could do it given enough work and come close to the performance of IMAP for most end users, but why would you? It doesn't really map to the REST architecture.

It you would rewrite your comment but s/REST/RPC/ I would not object to it. I would just think you were from the past :).

Wake up. You don't get to do any of that when your board is stacked with VCs.

How can you say that with any certainty? The only real example you have of this kind of conversation happened right here; which is to say, you have pretty strong evidence that the conversation did require abusiveness to be created.

You as a moderator are making value judgments on what should be discussed; you're not clearly specifying rules of engagement in general, and in this topic you've proven you couldn't enforce them even if you had them written down.

You know what referring to the conversation about who's the fuckwad does? It validates me, because I was one that made a point of being part of that conversation. It tells me that that conversation was, in fact, worthwhile: because it got your attention.

And now I'm posting with (what's essentially) my HN main, a shadowbanned account, because I'm pretty sure that you'll still see it. With the topic dying, with your post only a few hours old, I'm basically given a free private message to you. (You can also definitely track down who I really am now, but that doesn't really frighten me.)

So I can say: we're not really on a different page on the "already precarious balance" here. Despite my hatred for this community, I still care about it. (That's practically what hatred means!)

What I'm sure we disagree about is perhaps what's encapsulated by this topic. The two conversations you see are actually intimately connected, though perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they inform each other.

I think the Valley has a serious problem with positivity. You can't be negative in the networking world, and what that leads to is a culture where legitimate negative criticism is shut down. And that's where I fought today, and where you fought; the balance is that the negative criticism won the day. Which is why I say that your moderation is ultimately powerless.

I'm still here, writing to you. Even if for some programmatic reason you never read this, even if you've made an effort to not hear specific voices, I still exist.

And even outside my participation, the point was abusively made, because those forces make their point regardless of this chatter, and it might just be true that damage is the only real way of understanding and coming to terms with change.

If talking about who is a fuckwad isn't worthwhile, why does so much of your moderation involve finding fuckwads and terminating their participation?

This is a good conversation, solely because it happened. Because I can drag you into it no matter how elitist you're acting. (And I don't really think you're nearly as elitist as pg was; you've gone good clarifying work on title renaming, but you inherited a stupidly tough position.)

In fact, I suspect I'm writing this just to tell you how screwed you are.