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Apple Confirms Its $3 Billion Deal for Beats Electronics

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Re: Apple Confirms Its $3 Billion Deal for Beats Electronics

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Post by arrrg »

callmeed wrote: post #236
IBM wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That incident was 23 years ago and he did his time for it. He's also shown remorse for it and wishes it never happened.[0] He's a 49 year old man now and he's been married for 18 years. I think he's past that kind of stuff. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btc1MflBSeQ&feature=youtu.be...

That's precisely why I asked about a "statue of limitations" ... I am curious. Thank you for posting that video. I hadn't seen it. I'm generally skeptical of any celebrity's "remorse" when they get caught but it does help frame the current context.

Different people think differently. That’s what this boils down to. To some distance in time matters more, to others less (or not at all). Both are valid viewpoints.

But, yeah, of course distance in time does matter when judging someone. Obviously. Not for everything, sure, but for many things.

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Post by dublinben »

nerfhammer wrote: post #192
lmg643 wrote: post #82

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I totally agree. The question I ask is whether Beats is the kind of headphone that Steve Jobs would personally design and use. The "steve" test seems to guide everything else they build, so why not extend to headphones. The way I see it, the answer seems to be "no." The headphones are bulky, the logo gaudy - just not Steve. The advertising - think of the superbowl ads that rankled Seattle fans - just not really Apple…

Even if beats isn't his aesthetic, I find it difficult to imagine Steve being able to stomach a lower quality product underneath. Jobs would have wanted products perhaps like Bose - expensive, overpriced but ultimately good quality underneath. Beats is lower middle quality underneath all the plastic and Jobs wouldn't be able to sleep at night if he thought anything lower middle quality ever shipped out of his factori…

The audio fidelity of Bose speakers and headphones aren't any better than that of Beats. They're rightly derided in the audio community as sub-par equipment sold for far too much.

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Post by colordrops »

callmeed wrote: post #236
IBM wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That incident was 23 years ago and he did his time for it. He's also shown remorse for it and wishes it never happened.[0] He's a 49 year old man now and he's been married for 18 years. I think he's past that kind of stuff. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btc1MflBSeQ&feature=youtu.be...

That's precisely why I asked about a "statue of limitations" ... I am curious. Thank you for posting that video. I hadn't seen it. I'm generally skeptical of any celebrity's "remorse" when they get caught but it does help frame the current context.

Informal consensus amongst the masses is not something that has discrete factors like a "statue [sic] of limitations"

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callmeed wrote: post #198

Honest question: is there a statute of limitations on what the tech world will tolerate with regards to misogynistic behavior (or bad behavior in general)? Or do people just pick and choose what they want to fight? I ask because everyone rallied behind RadiumOne's CEO being canned after he beat up his girlfriend [0]. Similar with the Mozilla CEO (granted, the offense was different ... but it's interesting to point ou…

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Post by pooper »

callmeed wrote: post #207
grimtrigger wrote: post #206

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Side point: beating up a female reporter doesn't make you a mysogynist (it makes you an asshole). Wasn't sure what you meant because of your wording. Our tolerance for entertainers seems to be much higher than for executives. And I doubt many in the tech world think of Dre as a "real" executive. He's there for marketing reasons, but doesn't have much oversight of the day-to-day and the damage he can do is limited. Th…

> beating up a female reporter doesn't make you a mysogynist I guess I used that phrase because that's how everyone framed the Gurbaksh Chahal incident. At least in my Twitter feed.

I assume he'd be mysogynist if him beating the reporter was related to the reporter's gender. In any case, the ex-CEO didn't serve time so I'd say he got off pretty easily.

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Post by Keyframe »

SDGT wrote: post #44
gareim wrote: post #25

Apple redefined the mp3 player market, the ultraportable laptop market, the smartphone market, the tablet market, and now they're buying a company that reinvented the higher-end headphone market. Is it smart of a brand that has traditionally created their own iconic images to buy another cultural icon for $3 billion? I don't think so. Maybe this gets used a lot, but would Steve Jobs have done this? Or would he have c…

> reinvented the higher-end headphone market. Rebranded mid-range electronics with pop star endorsements and hype. Do people really consider Beats to be high end?

Unfortunate wording. Not high end, which presumes high quality. I'd describe them as luxury or premium brand headphones, not high end.

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Post by tvon »

callmeed wrote: post #198

Honest question: is there a statute of limitations on what the tech world will tolerate with regards to misogynistic behavior (or bad behavior in general)? Or do people just pick and choose what they want to fight? I ask because everyone rallied behind RadiumOne's CEO being canned after he beat up his girlfriend [0]. Similar with the Mozilla CEO (granted, the offense was different ... but it's interesting to point ou…

I believe RadiumOne and Mozilla responded to PR problems, not to the actions of their CEOs.

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Post by FireBeyond »

SDGT wrote: post #213
redthrowaway wrote: post #78

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A Lexus is a re-branded Toyota; it's still high-end.

Oh come now, that's a bit ridiculous. Interiors are upgraded, accessories are upgraded, often the suspension is upped as well. Outside of that, many of the Lexus models have completely redone power trains (F line). The IS line is on a completely separate platform from whatever the equivalent vanilla toyota would be. I would have gone with something like Ford and Lincoln, where they really are almost completely rebadg…

As a Toyota fan, who recently looked at both a Ford Escape and a Lincoln Navigator...

You mention "interiors are upgraded, accessories are upgraded" - a 2010 Escape looks and feels cheap. Plastic everywhere, everything creaks and squeaks when you lean on it a little. The Lincoln has (actual) wood paneling, things like retractable running boards and even a nearly ten year old Navigator feels nicer, so I'm not sure how you can say it's not like the Toyota-Lexus difference.

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