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Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by scott_karana »

PeterisP wrote: post #72
bronson wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When his "moral stance" directly affects your own quality of life and standing as a US citizen then it's probably more than just fashion, hm?

Well no, he has the exact same rights as any other citizen to vote and donate for whatever laws he prefers. It's inappropriate to do various things that hurt people around you; but it's perfectly fine to vote and support laws that directly affect quality of life of people in both directions (surprise - pretty much all laws/propositions do!). It's exactly the same as boycotting a company because CEO belongs to a reall…

I think you missed the part where one husband in this couple was granted a green card due to marital status, and was able to immigrate to the US.

So there would be no or little recourse, much less voting.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by scott_karana »

NAFV_P wrote: post #210
chrismonsanto wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to the legal distinction between single and married people, and the benefits married people get.

> I'm referring to the legal distinction between single and married people, and the benefits married people get. We need to be accurate here, "the legal distinction between married and unmarried couples". The benefits from marriage come from the legal process, so for unmarried couples to get the same benefits another equivalent legal process, or a new and universal process as a replacement would be required. It seems…

Why another legal process, when the end result is indistinguishable? Sounds like a convenient way to classify based on morality.

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_but_equal

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by scott_karana »

alexqgb wrote: post #182
gcb0 wrote: post #56

Good luck finding a browser where the ceo or vps behind it agree 100% with anyone's views. Unless you can point out that his (asshole, imho) views affected how he worked for Mozilla, than doing what you are doing is as bad as people that fired or did not purchased from companies supporting gay rights.

Easy, the dude openly and activly opposes the basic legal equality of gay people. Given that he runs the place, that creates a hostile working for gay people. End of story.

> Given that he runs the place, that creates a hostile working for gay people

That's a bit of an assumption.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by tommorris »

judah wrote: post #165
alecdibble wrote: post #76

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"Society has shifted on this issue, such that the traditional is considered unacceptable to hold; you're ostracized with negative labels should you hold the unfashionable position..." Couldn't you say the same thing about civil rights? Slavery? Colonization? At some point these ideas were considered 'OK' by society and then at some point they were considered 'Not OK'. Are these simply 'fashions' to you? I think PG's…

Yes, they are fashions. Some of them may be good, some may be bad, but they are fashions. It is conceivable that if we find a planet with alien life, there will be calls for colonizaton, for instance. And it could be a good thing. Let's play an intellectual game. Is it possible to imagine a sensible reason for Eich to hold the view he and others hold? If you are unable to imagine such a reason, it is because you are…

Why does it matter what Eich believes?

If someone wants to take away my rights, it's not my duty to psychoanalyse them.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by vixen99 »

wpietri wrote: post #93
pvnick wrote: post #63

I don't know what it is about gay marriage that draws people in to this ridiculous witch hunt. I'm neutral on the issue because I feel it's complicated like every other polarizing topic, but to a lot of folks it's solid black-and-white, good-vs-evil. But the pro-gay-marriage crowd seems to go beyond that. To them, it's so black-and-white that one's not even allowed to hold the other view. These people don't even ackn…

Neutral, eh? Good for you. What a bold stance. Are you also neutral on the topic of interracial marriage? Because the saga of gay marriage is basically replaying that story 50 years later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia Eich isn't in hot water for his personal beliefs. Indeed, as far as I know, he's never stated them. People are holding him accountable for his action, which was trying to keep gay peo…

What is a right? How are rights established? From BE's point of view, was a right a right, prior to being argued and established in law?

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

alexqgb wrote: post #222
transitionality wrote: post #193

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Getting a sex change operation is a matter of choice, too.

Regular change. Can you not read?

That is not true for the vast majority of people. The vast majority of people are not flip-floppers.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by transitionality »

alexqgb wrote: post #221
transitionality wrote: post #209

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That is not the Nazi Party though, is it?

For the purposes of the parent's argument, it's just fine. And you know it.

It would still be illegal to fire someone over their political affiliation, even one that invokes Godwin's Law and automagically loses the parent the argument anyway.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by NAFV_P »

scott_karana wrote: post #242
NAFV_P wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm referring to the legal distinction between single and married people, and the benefits married people get. We need to be accurate here, "the legal distinction between married and unmarried couples". The benefits from marriage come from the legal process, so for unmarried couples to get the same benefits another equivalent legal process, or a new and universal process as a replacement would be required. It seems…

Why another legal process, when the end result is indistinguishable? Sounds like a convenient way to classify based on morality. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_but_equal

> Why another legal process, when the end result is indistinguishable?

That was my exact point of thought.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by chris_wot »

alexqgb wrote: post #219
chris_wot wrote: post #203

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Are you saying that Brendan Eich's personal views are that of Mozilla's as an organisation?

No you nitwit, I was talking about the absurdity of calling the campaign against him a with hunt. But now that you mention it, the organization - in overlooking this particular view - sent a clear signal that it takes the issue a good deal less seriously that a significant number of its stakeholders. That's starting to look like a major mistake.

"Nitwit". I guess Hacker News discourse devolves in a slightly more civilised fashion. To really show me I'm wrong, or have asked a particularly stupid question, next time consider stronger language.

Re: Goodbye, Firefox Marketplace

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Post by ue_ »

I don't think that the reaction of these people is proportional to what's happened. The CEO of an organisation supports a cause that he wants in a private capacity, and the people at Firefox Marketplace are conflating this guy with what Mozilla does. Mozilla isn't this CEO, and this CEO isn't Mozilla. Would you boycott the US constitution because a couple of the authors owned slaves?
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