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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

lostcolony wrote: post #213
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't aware of it, so it isn't so? Really? Next, you'll tell me that Fox News really is "fair and balanced". Good police exist, and will continue to exist, despite civilian hostility and shifting definitions of what it means to be a "good cop". I'll never claim that no police are bad, or that there aren't many bad police, but I know that I'll never envy the good ones as long as the people filling this comment pa…

Did you even read my post? I'm saying, we hear about X bad cops. There may indeed by Y good cops. I am not making any claim about the existence or non-existence of Y good cops (in fact, I've interacted with good cops, so if I was to make any claim at all, it's simply that they exist, and the effects they have on bad cops are unknown). These Y good cops are either doing nothing to stop bad cops (and thus are ineffecti…

Well, please do try to put it another way, because it sounds to me like you aren't satisfied with the good cops simply because bad cops still exist. I'm not really sure what your point is.

I agree that our current situation is sub-optimal. I don't remember ever arguing otherwise.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by josh2600 »

kjjw wrote: post #229
josh2600 wrote: post #88

I know Peretz personally and he's one of the most rational people I've ever met. There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there, but what happened afterwards is unquestionably wrong. This is who the police stripped naked and put in jail: http://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2013/spring/featured-storie... This is not a person we should fear. I und…

"There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there" What a weird place America must be.

In America we tolerate brutality and are intolerant of nudity.

Tis' a silly place.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

ryguytilidie wrote: post #228
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, who has constructed the straw man now? My argument is "good cops exist". This is in response to somebody in this comment section who quite literally (yes, the real literally ) said "the only good cop is a dead cop". What exactly am I making up here?

"And this is why I fucking HATE COPS. I don't care if it's the few, this god damn country-wide gang is a piece of shit and I will do everything I can to avoid them and teach my two children about staying away as well. Fuck these pigs." This is what you were responding to. This person never said the main thing that seems to have incited your tantrum. At this point you're either trolling or stupid, so there isn't much…

When I say "responding to" I didn't necessarily mean the post directly above me. A minimal amount of effort put into looking at the rest of the comment page would have remedied your apparent confusion.

Please, do stop responding to me. I have enough to fill my time without trying to explain (what I thought was) the obvious to you.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by rms »

herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Thanks for sharing!

I believe in that situation, that you can defuse the dynamic of being accused of not having your ID, by sharing your social security number. So one response to the police in that situation is to acknowledge not having your ID, but offer to share your name and social security number so they can identify you in the database.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by javajosh »

buckbova wrote: post #186
nullc wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The nice guys don't last out there Because San Francisco is a war zone? Give me a break.

No, because being a cop is a shit job and it wears on those who take it on. So, the nice guy eventually becomes a prick.

Last I checked, people aren't forced to be cops.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by woodchuck64 »

maratd wrote: post #161

When a cop gives you instructions to leave, you leave. Not because the cop is right, but because this shit happens. And if you're naive enough to think that this shit won't happen to you, try not complying with a cop's instructions. Doesn't matter where in the US you happen to be. It's that simple. Look, here's a simple rule. In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky sta…

Best advice ever. It stands to reason the police deal with the worst of humanity on a regular basis. At a small cost to pride, respect and humility shows you're not one of those.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by john_b »

ryguytilidie wrote: post #100
javajosh wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, have you actually filed a civil suit against a police department? Do you know how expensive and time-consuming it is? Those who choose this route have me total admiration, as it is grossly expensive, it takes years, and it extends the suffering caused by mistreatment at the hands of those supposed to protect you manifold.

Yeah, I love the attitude of "look, if you want to make a complaint about police beating you and falsely imprisoning you, you should quit your job and invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in a case against them, anything else is stupid." Super realistic and clearly enabling a better world to happen very soon.

Have you ever sued the police?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by pmiller2 »

janj wrote: post #97

I posted this in another thread today but it's even more relevant here. We need a way to track when police officers have violent interactions with the public. We should be able to look up any officer and find their history of abuse of authority if it exists to make it easier to identify patterns. We can't trust these people with power if we can't hold them responsible. I would love to help work on this with someone.

I'm interested in working on this as well. I've never been a victim of violence by the police, but I've had a couple interactions that I mishandled that didn't go well for me. My contact info is in my profile.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by JetSpiegel »

nullc wrote: post #173
buckbova wrote: post #8

> I begged them to watch out for my recently broken right elbow. They don't give a shit about your elbow nor should they. Everyone who gets put in cuffs complains about some current or former injury. I'm not sure I buy every second of your recount. but there is a big difference between a good samaritan and a do-gooder. If the cops tell you it is time to leave the scene, it's 1 AM on a city street, you've been drinkin…

> The nice guys don't last out there Because San Francisco is a war zone? Give me a break.

Didn't you heard? There are drugs out there left un-fought.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by lhc- »

rayiner wrote: post #209
owenjones wrote: post #126

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While I was a student living in a "gentrifying" part of the city, I once went outside to discover my car was full of bullets. Several in the hood, several through the windows, one in the rear tire and most disconcertingly one in the driver side headrest. When I called the police and the investigator came, I could tell I was instantly suspect #1. He began grilling me lengthily about my whereabouts the night before and…

He assumed you were a gang member and the shooting was gang related. Which probably isn't a bad heuristic. Most of the time when gangs shoot up a rival gang members car, they don't accidentally get the wrong one.

Something tells me that in those cases, the gang members don't usually call the cops to investigate it.
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