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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by hershel »

gareim wrote: post #165
GVIrish wrote: post #111

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The government has given legal immunity to telecoms that collaborated with NSA spying in the past, I'm sure they'd extend that immunity to Apple if need be.

The class action lawsuit would be brought based on the fact that Apple sold the device on a lie. The government can't grant immunity for that.

This can always be the job by someone in the company cooperating with NSA , without apple knowing. And i think government can grant immunity to lies. Hasn't many people lied to congress/citizens in the recent weeks ?

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Post by mikeash »

uptown wrote: post #98
bedhead wrote: post #45

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Smartphone hardware is in the 9th inning. These devices have mostly hit the natural limits of what's achievable for now. Bad for Apple since this effectively levels the playing field.

"These devices have mostly hit the natural limits of what's achievable for now." Isn't that always the case? But "now" is a moving target.

Usually, but not always. In 2007, it turned out that the available technology allowed something way better than what was actually being sold. Apple realized this and used this fact to go from zero to smartphone dominance nearly overnight. Gaps do happen, they just don't last long before someone comes along and gets rich by exploiting them.

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Post by fluidcruft »

afterburner wrote: post #226
sliverstorm wrote: post #150

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They probably already have your fingerprint. I believe you usually have to give it to the DMV to get your license.

First I've heard of it, but I'm not American. Is this really true?

First I've heard of it, and I am American.

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Post by oleganza »

pilif wrote: post #109
gfodor wrote: post #95

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Serious question -- what is the big deal if someone gets your fingerprints? I can't think of the last time my fingerprint was used as some infallible method of identification, if ever. If the spooks want it, they already have it. I'd rather someone get their hands on my fingerprint than my passport, driver's license, and credit cards, and it seems much more difficult to steal than those things. I think the fingerprin…

The problem is that I can't change my fingerprint. If it gets out by some third-party abusing the secret backdoor (or just abusing whatever other place you have your fingerprint stored), then they can potentially forge your fingerprint when committing a crime or when otherwise attempting to access resources you have access to. When a third-party loses your password, you change it and life goes on (you are not reusing…

Simply publish your fingerprint somewhere - then if anyone uses it to impersonate you, it won't matter.

It's not quite the same with private keys because you can always generate some new keys and publicly revoke your key if it could have been compromised. Since you cannot regenerate your fingerprints and could have already lost them, simply revoke them up front.

Edit: expanded on this in my blog: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/60865284958/key-revocation-and...

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Post by [deleted] »

drcode wrote: post #211
res0nat0r wrote: post #197

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We take for gospel that the NSA is spying on everyone in the world via every hardware device that has been created in the USA because of a few powerpoint slides. Interesting.

What should we be using for our information, instead? Clapper's testimony to congress?

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Post by jl6 »

wmf wrote: post #224
jl6 wrote: post #191

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Sure it is, just use an external CPU in the docking station.

So now your "docking station" is actually a separate computer; what part of the phone would it use? The storage?

Yes, it would be very useful to have a single OS image that could scale its user interface and capabilities to the hardware it finds attached at any given moment.

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Post by RockyMcNuts »

pilif wrote: post #102
cwilson wrote: post #81

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Apple specifically stated that your fingerprint is stored and encrypted only on the A7 chip, and not iCloud or anywhere else. It's mentioned in the video as well: http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/videos/#video-touch

Yes. And how exactly do we check this? Why is it that we can still trust Apple? For all we know, the data gets sent directly to the NSA or, if it doesn't, there might be some secret backdoor that will make the device send the data at a later point. The last round of leaks was specifically talking about backdoors with all bigger US companies in order to circumvent encryption. That's what I means by "we have to conside…

The NSA has the ability to compromise the devices http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/how-the-nsa-spies-...

good spy novel stuff... steal the prints of some foreign bigwig, or say Julian Assange, plant a copy in some compromising crime scene...

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Post by laureny »

cwilson wrote: post #81
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Apple specifically stated that your fingerprint is stored and encrypted only on the A7 chip, and not iCloud or anywhere else. It's mentioned in the video as well: http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/videos/#video-touch

Don't trust the NSA, trust Apple instead because they have no interest in your private information.

Makes perfect sense.

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Post by cmiles74 »

gfodor wrote: post #95
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Serious question -- what is the big deal if someone gets your fingerprints? I can't think of the last time my fingerprint was used as some infallible method of identification, if ever. If the spooks want it, they already have it. I'd rather someone get their hands on my fingerprint than my passport, driver's license, and credit cards, and it seems much more difficult to steal than those things. I think the fingerprin…

It's not uncommon for the police or fire department to fingerprint children as "a fun activity" or "a way to learn more about police and their work".

http://www.gastongazette.com/news/local/police-want-to-finge...

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