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you just offended a religion. how different are you from the OP?
> you just offended a religion. I did? Oh my.
this is freedom of speech. blunt offense and apathy.
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#242First, you should read the U.N. Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and determine whether you will be a candidate if you flee. No sense leaving if you will simply be deported back to your country. I think it applies:
"A refugee, according to the Convention, is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of origin owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion."
You appear to be facing a clear and imminent risk of persecution at the hands of your government because of your political views, which in all likelihood makes you a candidate for seeking asylum in another country and claiming refugee status through the UNHCR.
Not knowing where you are, I can't advise any further. If you are unable to exit the country with your passport, bring whatever identifying documentation you have about yourself (drivers license, birth certificate, diplomas or degrees, etc.). All of that will aid in your case.
If you are able to prepare well beforehand (do so, if you have time), get the phone numbers and addresses of these organizations in the country you seek asylum in: the UNHCR, the International Organization for Migration, the Helsinki Citizens' Assembly, the International Catholic Migration Commission... that's all I can think of right now.
Prepare to present yourself to local law enforcement in your new country at some point, but try to avoid doing so without consulting local refugee support staff. In all likelihood, you will need to be arrested and processed by local law enforcement as part of your declaration for asylum. I have dealt with this in Turkey for Iraqi, Iranian, and scores of East African refugees, so I only know the peculiarities of Turkish law and refugees. If you can get to a European country, you will fare much better.
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#243I'm assuming you are this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-ja... What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. If you are that person, it may difficult to find someone you can trust enough to take over the SaaS startup whilst you are away. Good luck.
No, it wasn't offensive to me and I'm a muslim. Just because something 'offended' you should not be the reason for somebody else to go to jail. He posted stuff on the internet, the people who got offended had the option not to see it.
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you've offended my religion. Should you be outcast or not? Try to stay focused here, it's not hard.
you have only showed that your values are different. you ave not shown that i flushed your values in the toilet, nor published insensitive photos of your values (like the OP did). do you need help defining the work insult?
Clearly I did need help defining the word insult, thanks for clearing that up for me. When you get offended it's an insult but when I get offended by your wrecklessness and apathy, that's just our values being different. All makes sense now.
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#245As a former Muslim atheist, Jesus Christ! Assuming there's nothing you can do to escape your pending jail term, I would suggest getting your legal person to draw up some sort of agreement where someone can run the business and keep the profits in your stead. This will have to be someone you trust as no matter how good the contract, the potential downside for you is huge . You could structure it as selling the company…
Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.
Way to stereotype.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of countries have dogmatic laws many people in them disagree with. For instance, in the US, you can go to jail for selling cannabis, and a lot of people disagree with that. If an American friend told you he was about to go to jail for a year for selling drugs, and you felt it was unfair, would you tell him to flee? As such, you can comply with unfair laws, or not and take the consequences, or go somewhere with…
If an American friend told you he was about to go to jail for a year for selling drugs OP and his girlfriend face 8 years in jail for posting a picture of themselves eating pork on Facebook. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/18/sex-bloggers-coul...
Not that it changes the ridiculousness of the matter at all, but I think their sex blog also factors in to the persecution.
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#247You don't happen to be Alvin Tan who recently caused a ruckus in Malaysia do you?
Yes. That is exactly who this is.
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#248As a former Muslim atheist, Jesus Christ! Assuming there's nothing you can do to escape your pending jail term, I would suggest getting your legal person to draw up some sort of agreement where someone can run the business and keep the profits in your stead. This will have to be someone you trust as no matter how good the contract, the potential downside for you is huge . You could structure it as selling the company…
Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.
so you're an ex creepy, overreaching and domineering person with no respect for individual rights? why should we trust you now?
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#249As a former Muslim atheist, Jesus Christ! Assuming there's nothing you can do to escape your pending jail term, I would suggest getting your legal person to draw up some sort of agreement where someone can run the business and keep the profits in your stead. This will have to be someone you trust as no matter how good the contract, the potential downside for you is huge . You could structure it as selling the company…
Another ex-Muslim here. Not all of Indonesia is off limits. I just came back from Bali and it's awesome. Muslims as a minority are tolerable. But no way will I trust them as a majority, much less a ruling population. Creepy, overreaching and domineering people with no respect for individual rights.
That's good to know about Bali, but from what I understand Java is very close to living under Sharia. Having lived in Saudi for a while, I can report that its about as terrifying as you've described there.
PS I think the last time I ran into you on HN a beer was offered, then we had a fight about a movie on twitter (I forget what). If your adventures ever bring you to London, that beer offer is still open.
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This is HN. It is a community based around tech startups and the culture of Silicon Valley. This means it is not a deeply Muslim community, and what might be unacceptable in any deeply religious community is normal here. I hope you don't go because you have been very civil and I think a healthy community has diverse members, but if anyone is an outcast here it is you.
who said it is a muslim community. im just saying HN should not be refuge for immoral people who insult other people's cultures. speaking of tech startups and silicon valley, a muslim guy invented algorithms. the word algorithm is a transliteration of his name. his first name is Mohamed. without him, HN nor silicon valley would exist today. in that sense, the OP made an insult to the Tech world as a whole.
It seems like you're desperately trying to inject religion into an argument where it's wholly irrelevant. Take this at face value: HN is about tech. Religion is not tech, therefore it's not at the forefront of discussion (with the exception of this trainwreck of a tangent).
Someone is facing legal action for posting pictures and need help with their startup. The context of their conviction isn't relevant for the discussion. Similarly; Al-Khwarithmi's religion is not relevant to us whatsoever. They're really interesting tech stories with human-interest stores intermingled - it's not difficult at all to focus just on the tech aspect.
I'm confused by your last point too - we aren't here to sit and discuss some kind of homogenous technocratic dogma. It's a poor example in any case - tech seems to prompt the some of most fervent rounds mud-slinging of all topics up for discussion on the internet.