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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by kree10 »

jonahx wrote: post #239
microtonal wrote: post #231

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In fact, most shells (e.g. bash and zsh) have the option to switch from Emacs to vi mode.

`set -o vi` on bash command line to enter vim mode. life changing.

Also, this will turn on vi-style line editing in programs using GNU readline (things like mysql, psql, sqlite3):

    echo "set editing-mode vi" > ~/.inputrc
For programs linked against libedit instead (as on OS X):

    echo "bind -v" > ~/.editrc

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by robryan »

nahname wrote: post #121
leeoniya wrote: post #115

the main reason i am not buying or using it is because he doesn't work off the Userecho page he set up, which in my opinion should be his priority. He adds stuff that he feels is good, but ignores real user's needs. http://sublimetext.userecho.com/ all the feature requests are simply mothballed for years, including some that are showstoppers for me.

As someone who uses sublime everyday let's go through that list... Syntax / Code folding - feature for dealing with bad code. Solution: write good code. We don't need additional cruft in the editor slowing it down. Terminal panel (specifically for windows) - Would actually be nice for windows users. I am not one. Probably why the console in sublime is so limited, supporting windows in this regard is terribly difficul…

You can theme the sidebar already. Using the theme flatland dark, pretty awesome improvement from the default. https://github.com/thinkpixellab/flatland

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by camperman »

evjan wrote: post #232
rogerbinns wrote: post #215

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Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

"Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars. That productivity matters." How do these people know it makes a difference? Do they measure their productivity? Is there any scientific research on this?

You don't need scientific research to know that a good extensible, programmable editor that can become an extension of your mind and hands is going to make you more productive than Notepad. It's like playing a musical instrument. The finger movements and thought processes move into the background over time as you master them with proper practice and you start operating at a higher level. A world-class musician isn't thinking about which notes to play when and where to put their fingers but rather how to put more emotion into a performance.

Similarly, a top flight programmer who has mastered emacs or vim or Sublime Text won't be operating at a conscious level but will be controlling the environment in front of them at a far higher level, especially if the conceptual model of the text buffer is the same no matter what they're doing with it.

An extreme comparison would be to sit two people of the same ability down in front of the Linux kernel source tree, one armed with emacs, cscope, syntax highlighting, org-mode and cc-mode and the other with nano and see who is faster at some non-trivial task.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by ChiperSoft »

kule wrote: post #112
zeckalpha wrote: post #98

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On the other hand, TextMate 2 is under active development: https://github.com/textmate/textmate/commits/master

I keep trying the alpha every now and again but there's some little annoyances that to me make it a step backwards in usability from TextMate 1, let alone Sublime Text. e.g. * Double clicking a directory will make that directory the top level directory in the project side bar. * Having to double-click to open a file; you can single click but only if you click the small file icon instead. * Silly fading animation when…

For me it was the switch from ATSUI to CoreText for the code view rendering. It completely changed the way the text was antialiased, and removed the faux styling for fonts that lacked variants. As someone who liked Monoco, this killed it for me.

At the time TM2 was still private beta and not yet open sourced. I figured if I was gonna change to a CoreText editor, ST2 had the better support.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by joeblau »

I'm not a Sublime user yet, but I've always been interested in it's interface. I'm trying to figure out if it's a replacement for a text editor like VIM or a heavier IDE like IntelliJ?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

rogerbinns wrote: post #215
pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

Your editor does have a bearing on your skill as a developer. When I interview candidates, the question I ask is "what is your favourite editor?" I don't actually care (much) what the answer is, but I do care that the developer periodically examines the tools they use a lot, and see if they can improve their productivity. Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why t…

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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by robryan »

levosmetalo wrote: post #97
glimcat wrote: post #7

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It's a developer tool. I bill more than that per hour. Lots of people bill more than that per hour. If it saves you time or stress, it's easily worth $70.

You are right, but the problem is exactly that it's a developer tool, and most developers tools are $free these days, so it kinda sets the expectation of price for a developers tool. If Emacs, Vim, Eclipse, Visual Studio (Express) and many, many others IDEs and editors a free, it's pretty hard to justify paying for a developers tools. It's not that it's not worth it, it's just that the common expectation is that deve…

Sublime Text and Textmate likely wouldn't have existed without many people being willing to pay for them. If we refuse to accept paid for developer tools we are only ever going to get certain types of tools build by certain types of people/ companies.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

pvnick wrote: post #142

I love Sublime Text. For a year or two I tried and tried to get behind vim, to no avail. I thought there must be something wrong with me, perhaps I'm not as smart as those other developers who sit there staring at several adjacent vim windows hitting cryptic key sequences as if the essence of vim were an extension of their mind (maybe it is?). I couldn't do it. Then I made the realization that the editor you use has…

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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by nnq »

lunixbochs wrote: post #122
nnq wrote: post #21

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Try ST2 with a ton of plugins on an underpowered netbook one day ;) ...it wasn't "slow" like a big fat IDE can get, when you end up typing faster then text can show up on the screen, but it can still get "slow for an editor", like ">1s startup time", ">200ms to open a new tab" (yes, it's noticeable damn it, anything above 10ms if fking noticeable!) if some plugin tries to lint or spell check in the bg, etc.

As a plugin developer (sublimelint), it's far easier to make fast plugins in ST3. I had to do major hacks in ST2 to not block UI.

I'm really glad to hear this since as far as I could diagnose it, sublimelint was probably the biggest contributor to my ST's slowness :) ...but it's a great plugin to have, so kudos and keep up the good work!

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by Leepic »

camperman wrote: post #243
evjan wrote: post #232

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"Editors do make a difference in your productivity - that is why people have favourites and why they have flamewars. That productivity matters." How do these people know it makes a difference? Do they measure their productivity? Is there any scientific research on this?

You don't need scientific research to know that a good extensible, programmable editor that can become an extension of your mind and hands is going to make you more productive than Notepad. It's like playing a musical instrument. The finger movements and thought processes move into the background over time as you master them with proper practice and you start operating at a higher level. A world-class musician isn't…

You don't need scientific research to know that a good extensible, programmable editor that can become an extension of your mind and hands is going to make you more productive than Notepad.

Sure you don't. You can feel the difference. The problem occurs when people treat their editors as an extension of themselves and can't tell the difference between "not liking you" and "not liking your editor", eventually getting defensive. That's a "cognitive level" I don't want to get myself into.

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