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Re: San Francisco

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Post by DanBC »

spitx wrote: post #89
objclxt wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'd agree with you that The Telegraph isn't the most balanced of sources when it comes to immigration. It's an overtly right-wing paper.

Why is the slant of the source relevant? This is the opinion of one person. I tabled it to invite dissenting voices to offer sensible and rational critiques of the premise not petty and bitter ideologues who want to silence all dissonant viewpoints even when they may have more than a shred of truth value. There are plenty of such people on sites like Gawker. I thought this place was a platform for sensible and intell…

Well, that one person is a polite racist and is using tactics from concern trolling to push their racist agenda; that person isn't wanting to engage in an intellectually rigorous discussion.

We ignore the trolls here.[1]

[1] I WISH. HN is vulnerable to trolling and there are many threads to prove this. :-(

Re: San Francisco

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Post by kryten »

moconnor wrote: post #101
kryten wrote: post #19

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Sounds like London, UK where I currently reside with three children... Expensive: check. Bad schools: check. Disfunctional government: check. Drugs on streets: check. Lots of crazies: check. The thing I hate is that people wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. Going to move out to the countryside I think... As for the nutter on BART, I got urinated on whilst on the tube in London .... twice. And no I was not on f…

An old guy collapsed on the street in front of me in London. I thought he was a drunk tramp, but my sister (who lives there) immediately stopped to check on him as did several other passers by. Turned out he was having a heart attack. Someone with medical training came forward and pumped his chest cavity or whatever they do while we ordered and flagged down the ambulance. Guy was conscious but confused when the medic…

And conversely I saw someone get stabbed in the stomach at Waterloo. I was the only person out of at least 200 witnesses who did a thing and to be honest I have no idea what to do so could only apply pressure and call paramedics.

Same with an old woman I saw faceplant on the pavement. I was on a bus that was moving. People just stepped over her.

The worst thing: a guy got pushed in front of a friend's tube train (he was a tube driver). Immediately after he got out of the cab, some platform peon started shouting at him saying "how fucking long is this going to take?". The guy was pretty much screaming his head off on the track under the train dying painfully and slowly.

Good for that heart attack guy, but he must have been lucky. It isn't the norm - and the police I've spoken to over the years confirmed it.

Re: San Francisco

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Post by wowoc »

danmaz74 wrote: post #47

"UK people are especially hard for me to understand, and I guess the opposite is also true. Fixing the language if you don't practice it is either impossible or requires a lot of time, probably I'll star to travel more." One very enjoyable way to improve at least understanding spoken English is to watch movies and (if you like that) tv shows. BTW, I agree that UK pronunciationS are much more difficult to understand (…

I am Polish and I confirm. I thought that my English is not too bad until I went for a short trip to London.

Re: San Francisco

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Post by davidw »

_pius wrote: post #218
rdouble wrote: post #152

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There are actually a lot of kids, and people with average jobs in SF. They just aren't white so tech people don't notice them. Regarding old people, retired people are actually the fastest growing demographic in the city.

There are actually a lot of kids, and people with average jobs in SF. They just aren't white so tech people don't notice them. This, 1000x this.

> This, 1000x this.

Repeating a grammatical error 1000 times does not make it "more better".

If you look at actual statistics, they do seem to back up my impression: income in SF is not your typical bell curvish distribution you'd see in many other places. There are a lot of people making a lot of money, more at still quite a bit of money, and a small peak for those making very little money, and fewer in between:

http://www.city-data.com/income/income-San-Francisco-Califor...

Look at:

Distribution of median family income in 2009 (number of people)

Distribution of median household income in 2009 (number of people)

Re: San Francisco

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Post by aashay »

liveinoakland wrote: post #172
Throwadev wrote: post #90

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Can you elaborate on lack of police? Have you been affected by the crime in Rockridge? I thought it was a pretty decent area the last time I visited.

rockridge is 100x safer and nicer than many of the places where people flock to in SF, as is grand lake, as is jack london square, as is piedmont, as is temescal... oakland has some of the nicest neighborhoods and most coveted real estate in the entire bay. drive around the hills sometime. the "oakland is dangerous" meme is laughable. you are in trouble in parts of west oakland and far east in fruitvale. just like in…

For someone who is considering moving to Oakland in less than 2 months, can you comment on the safety of the other Oakland BART station areas (12th & 19th)? I honestly can't get a good read on Oakland anymore. So many people (yourself included) say that there are plenty of safe places to live in Oakland but crime maps suggest otherwise, especially within walking distance to BART stations.

I live in Berkeley now and I'm considering finding another place somewhere in Berkeley but it should would be nicer to be a little closer to SF, where I work...

Re: San Francisco

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Post by rdouble »

aashay wrote: post #245
liveinoakland wrote: post #172

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rockridge is 100x safer and nicer than many of the places where people flock to in SF, as is grand lake, as is jack london square, as is piedmont, as is temescal... oakland has some of the nicest neighborhoods and most coveted real estate in the entire bay. drive around the hills sometime. the "oakland is dangerous" meme is laughable. you are in trouble in parts of west oakland and far east in fruitvale. just like in…

For someone who is considering moving to Oakland in less than 2 months, can you comment on the safety of the other Oakland BART station areas (12th & 19th)? I honestly can't get a good read on Oakland anymore. So many people (yourself included) say that there are plenty of safe places to live in Oakland but crime maps suggest otherwise, especially within walking distance to BART stations. I live in Berkeley now and I…

Its boosters will suggest otherwise, but Oakland is pretty sketchy. Everyone I know there has been jacked at one point. It's just a matter of time. That said, the only place I've personally been held up at gunpoint in the Bay Area was in Berkeley. (San Pablo and Dwight area)

Re: San Francisco

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Post by davidw »

physcab wrote: post #95
davidw wrote: post #53

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One of the things that I really noticed when I moved from San Francisco to Italy was that here (Padua, Italy), there are young people, old people, rich people, and people not so well off. San Francisco is this kind of weird bubble where everyone has to have money to be there, so "regular people" don't exist. No kids, no old people, no people with sort of average jobs. I didn't like it, it felt too strange to me. I pr…

I hadn't thought about the "people from all walks of life" aspect missing from SF before. I find that true as well. I haven't been to many other big cities but I'm curious how SF relates on that aspect to cities such as Seattle, New York, and LA. I wonder if SF actually does have quite a lot of diversity if you expand your definition of SF from anything within 10 minutes of Civic Center to everything from Outer Sunse…

I think part of the problem is just geography. A city like Boston or Seattle has a lot of room for suburbs, so if you have less money, you can go further out. In SF, you can only go South, otherwise you have to cross the bay. San Francisco, as someone else writes here, has a housing supply problem.

Re: San Francisco

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Post by ryanSrich »

acchow wrote: post #240
ryanSrich wrote: post #162

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This is really the only reasonable dig I've heard against D.C. I guess I was lucky enough to land a public sector job at a software shop that runs much like the hip ones out west. They are here, just not well represented.

Have you worked in the bay area?

Physically no.

I've telecommuted for a few contracts and the structure of those companies appear to be similar to what I've been exposed to here on the east coast.

I would imagine both have their fair share of differences and being there physically is, I'm sure, much different. However I find it hard to believe that the difference is so significant that it warrants surrendering financial gain.

Re: San Francisco

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Post by acdha »

bherms wrote: post #141
acdha wrote: post #17

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$70 a day for “food and random living expenses” is far from not having much left, particularly after your $12K for “transport, cell phone, random monthly bills like student loans” which is pretty generous. Sure, you can definitely spend that much but it's not like you need to have every single meal at a nice restaurant, go to bars every night, etc.

Very true, just speaking from first-hand experience. I'm trying to pay off all my (astronomical) student loan debt as fast as possible, so I'm putting around $1800/mo into loans alone. Factor in my biggest hobby is seeing live music and you'd be surprised how quickly money can go. I've cut back severely on my drinking/partying, but with the occasional trip home to see family, 401k contribution, loan payments, and mor…

Yeah, I don't want to come across as too critical but given how many people are making 30-40K before taxes I do feel the perspective is important. The major expense you mentioned is student loans and the degree to which you are not an outlier there scares me as it means that a significant people under 30, even relatively high-income professionals, are unable to make one of the best life moves because they're paying off debt rather than investing to accrue 3-4 decades of interest.

Re: San Francisco

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Post by _pius »

davidw wrote: post #244
_pius wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are actually a lot of kids, and people with average jobs in SF. They just aren't white so tech people don't notice them. This, 1000x this.

> This, 1000x this. Repeating a grammatical error 1000 times does not make it "more better". If you look at actual statistics, they do seem to back up my impression: income in SF is not your typical bell curvish distribution you'd see in many other places. There are a lot of people making a lot of money, more at still quite a bit of money, and a small peak for those making very little money, and fewer in between: htt…

Repeating a grammatical error 1000 times does not make it "more better".

Douché.

If you look at actual statistics, they do seem to back up my impression ....

You're either confused about my comment or making a completely non sequitur argument for the heck of it. The claim I agreed with was that there are actually a lot of (largely minority) kids and people with average jobs in SF.

That is true and can be shown so by inspection, at that.

There are plenty of kids and families who live in my neighborhood (I'm on the cusp of Union Square and the Tenderloin). If you take a ride on the T towards Bayview in the middle of the afternoon, you'll also see plenty of kids.

Are the public schools in San Francisco just empty, waiting for families to move in and send their kids there? Of course not. As for people with "average jobs," who do you think is serving you that latté, helping you at Macy's, or cleaning your office? They don't just ship all of those people in from Oakland.

That San Francisco has no children or working class is a preposterous idea, mostly advanced by those who fail to step outside of the high-rent parts of the city.

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