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Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by DanBC »

WayneDB wrote: post #161
DanBC wrote: post #158

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Many people find the word retard (used that way) to be deeply offensive. Many other people are not aware of that offence, and also would not like to cause that offence, and once they know that many people find the word so offensive are happy to consider their use of language and find another word. There are lots of great words to use instead of retard and retarded. And asking someone to consider their language isn't…

I am offended that you would be an enabler to all the complainers of the world. Seriously. Could you stop that please?

People with learning disabilities get pretty lousy treatment from society.

They are subjected to verbal abuse, bullying, sexual abuse, and physical violence, sometimes from the people who are supposed to be providing care for them.[1abcd]

People with learning disabilities suffer poor health outcomes, and those are not all explained by their LD.

People with LD are deprived of their liberty, detained in hospital against their will, without trial. People get caught up in bizarre Kafkesque nightmares.[2] That man was held for a year, with all of his rights ignored.

People with LD are illegally discriminated against in the workplace assuming they can even get a job.

Given all this the pain caused by people carelessly using the word 'retard' trumps your supposed offence at my enabling 'complainers' so I say, politely as I can, FUCK YOU.

See, that's the point. I don't care if you know you are being offensive and want to cause offence. Go ahead. My post was clearly aimed at people who do not know how offensive some words are.

[1a] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/jul/05/longtermcare.g...)

[1b] (http://www.communitycare.co.uk/articles/31/07/2006/55162/cor...)

[1c] (http://www.mencap.org.uk/outofsight?gclid=CIziubGwkrYCFeXLtA...)

[1d] (http://www.dh.gov.uk/health/2012/12/final-winterbourne/)

[2] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18998875)

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by aneth4 »

stcredzero wrote: post #239
aneth4 wrote: post #234

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Villains are often wise, open, and listen generously. Actually mafia types are often some of the nicest people, as long as you don't cross them. Regardless, humor is an important technique for bringing perspective to situations, and helps us come back to realizing life is about being happy, not settling scores.

> Villains are often wise, open, and listen generously. Actually mafia types are often some of the nicest people, as long as you don't cross them. Manners, charm, and good listening are all things that are orthogonal to that whole good and evil thing. They are powerful tools, and often make ones life easier. They can even be a tremendous force for good. These are all orthogonal to good/evil , though. Musical talent i…

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing after all. The minute it crops up, all our hardnesses yield, all our irritations, and resentments flit away, and a sunny spirit takes their place."

- Mark Twain

Those who can not laugh at themselves will justly be laughed at by others.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by kragen »

stcredzero wrote: post #220
unalone wrote: post #197

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I've heard from many women in the last few days that they are , in fact, made uncomfortable by the overt sexualization that happens in programmer culture. This comment on MetaFilter [ http://www.metafilter.com/126184/Furore-over-sexism-being-ca... ] made its point in a way that was particularly uncomfortable for me: > Oh let's even forget code and the "fork" jargon and whatnot. Let's talk about hardware engineering.…

> I've heard from many women in the last few days that they are, in fact, made uncomfortable by the overt sexualization that happens in programmer culture. If straight guys in SF would like to get some perspective on this, imagine working 8 hours a day in The Castro in one of the more highly sexually charged environments there. I bet you'd definitely notice that . Being there also gives you a different perspective on…

Do you want to be more explicit? Right now your comment is surely extremely convincing to people who know which environment you're talking about and what it's like, but will not help to enlighten anyone who doesn't already have the experience you're alluding to. And the people who do have that experience are probably already convinced! By The Castro, do you mean the neighborhood with all the gay people, or something more specific (a theater or bar, maybe)?

Tell us your story.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by unalone »

sneak wrote: post #238
unalone wrote: post #168

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Except that in this case, the "player" is the one who's using certain words in a pejorative context, giving the implication that anybody to whom that word applies is somehow lesser because of it. This is why we don't use the words "nigger", "kike", and "faggot" as insults anymore, why calling somebody a "pussy" or "woman" for not being aggressive or assertive enough is generally frowned upon, and, yes, why casually d…

This is the internet. We use "nigger", "kike", and "faggot" all the time. Because WORDS. If you think the correct answer is to try to get everyone everywhere to not use whatever subset of words you subjectively find offensive versus just IGNORING THINGS THAT OFFEND YOU, I'm not really sure what to tell you, other than perhaps: Good luck with that, you retarded faggot.[1] [1] http://youtu.be/Fcja4WFFzDw

"We" do not use those words. "We" are not part of a single interconnected culture. You might use those words, since from what little contact I've had with you you come across as a narcissistic asshole with little concern for others. But I am not you, and I thank my lucky stars for that.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by stcredzero »

kragen wrote: post #243
stcredzero wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've heard from many women in the last few days that they are, in fact, made uncomfortable by the overt sexualization that happens in programmer culture. If straight guys in SF would like to get some perspective on this, imagine working 8 hours a day in The Castro in one of the more highly sexually charged environments there. I bet you'd definitely notice that . Being there also gives you a different perspective on…

Do you want to be more explicit? Right now your comment is surely extremely convincing to people who know which environment you're talking about and what it's like, but will not help to enlighten anyone who doesn't already have the experience you're alluding to. And the people who do have that experience are probably already convinced! By The Castro, do you mean the neighborhood with all the gay people, or something…

I mean the neighborhood. It's a great consciousness raising exercise for heterosexual males.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by stcredzero »

philwelch wrote: post #240
stcredzero wrote: post #219

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> I think you're attributing opinions to me that I never expressed. It was because of the "always." Seems like you meant that more as "most of the time." > I'm just saying that poking fun is a perfectly appropriate response to this particular absurd situation. With that, I'll entirely agree.

Getting under the skin of prigs is always funny. I think that's a fair statement. It might not always be socially justifiable or always be the best response, but it's always funny.

Have you ever happened to find you got under the skin of someone you thought was a prig, but then turned out to be a legitimate victim?

Reality with human beings is complicated. Pattern matching simple rules is bound to produce a false positive. Have you always stuck around and gathered enough data to be sure?

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by stcredzero »

aneth4 wrote: post #242
stcredzero wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Villains are often wise, open, and listen generously. Actually mafia types are often some of the nicest people, as long as you don't cross them. Manners, charm, and good listening are all things that are orthogonal to that whole good and evil thing. They are powerful tools, and often make ones life easier. They can even be a tremendous force for good. These are all orthogonal to good/evil , though. Musical talent i…

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing after all. The minute it crops up, all our hardnesses yield, all our irritations, and resentments flit away, and a sunny spirit takes their place." - Mark Twain Those who can not laugh at themselves will justly be laughed at by others.

Sometimes, it's an equitable sharing. Sometimes, it's someone exercising power over another and rubbing their face in it. There are times and places where deliberate and literally criminal cruelty to strangers is thought hilarious. I know this for a fact.

You assume human beings always do a good job of treating other human beings. Ask a seasoned police investigator -- not always true. And sometimes, they'll even be laughing about it.

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by kragen »

stcredzero wrote: post #245
kragen wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want to be more explicit? Right now your comment is surely extremely convincing to people who know which environment you're talking about and what it's like, but will not help to enlighten anyone who doesn't already have the experience you're alluding to. And the people who do have that experience are probably already convinced! By The Castro, do you mean the neighborhood with all the gay people, or something…

I mean the neighborhood. It's a great consciousness raising exercise for heterosexual males.

What's it like being in the neighborhood?

Re: Fork My Dongle

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Post by aneth4 »

stcredzero wrote: post #247
aneth4 wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing after all. The minute it crops up, all our hardnesses yield, all our irritations, and resentments flit away, and a sunny spirit takes their place." - Mark Twain Those who can not laugh at themselves will justly be laughed at by others.

Sometimes, it's an equitable sharing. Sometimes, it's someone exercising power over another and rubbing their face in it. There are times and places where deliberate and literally criminal cruelty to strangers is thought hilarious. I know this for a fact. You assume human beings always do a good job of treating other human beings. Ask a seasoned police investigator -- not always true. And sometimes, they'll even be l…

I would not classify this particular case of humor as "criminal cruelty." Get over it.
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