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Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by Ohentis »

john01dav wrote: post #227
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

> There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". The roots of llm math in part lie in compressing natural language such that there's only information there, and then running the reverse to create way more text without new information in a somewhat precise theoretical sense. Some more information: https://youtu.…

I love 3b1b and I love that video, but that also isn't exactly what is being said. In particular llm inference does add information (in the meaning in this context) because the output distribution is sampled randomly.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by chrysoprace »

I find this struggle with coding too. When Claude spits out a plan I have to really focus to not skim over the details. It's also difficult to parse the plan because I have to work backwards to determine if the high level context matches my understanding of what Claude will do.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by ben_w »

recursive wrote: post #186
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Human intelligence doesn't get confused like that. We do; this is the premise of many children's riddle-games, like the one that goes: "What is white and rhymes with silk? > Milk. What is cheese made from? > Milk. > What do cows drink?" At which point the riddle-guesser is very likely to answer "milk" even though the correct answer is "water".

I take issue with your "correct" answer. Q: Why do cows produce milk? A: Because calves (baby cows) drink it.

May I suggest the one common in my childhood playgrounds as an alternative?

  How do you escape from a perfectly sealed room with a table in it?

  You run around the table until your legs are sore, use the saw to cut the table into two, two halves make a whole, you escape through the hole.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by [deleted] »

ben_w wrote: post #244
recursive wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take issue with your "correct" answer. Q: Why do cows produce milk? A: Because calves (baby cows) drink it.

May I suggest the one common in my childhood playgrounds as an alternative? How do you escape from a perfectly sealed room with a table in it? You run around the table until your legs are sore, use the saw to cut the table into two, two halves make a whole, you escape through the hole.

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Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by asdfman123 »

causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

It's that you know it's a waste of time. If I sent you emails that were full of nonsense every day, you'd start tuning me out too.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by mannanj »

rnd33 wrote: post #105
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

Completely agree. AI is very impressive in many ways but there is something deeply wrong that is hard to put into words. The output is probable but never true, if that makes sense. I think this is also the mechanism behind why AI generated videos and images are so captivating at first. I remember when Midjourney first launched and it was hours and hours of a brain-melting "Wooooooow". But once you get used to it and…

> If the image or text wasn't created by a human, then there was no intent behind the content, there is no message or novel information conveyed, and it reads as noise.

If I were to push you a bit on this, when is it not true?

Let's not like at AI specifically, but can you think of other examples? Like for me, I think of: the creation of earth itself, or stars, or even DNA.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by _ifton »

bayindirh wrote: post #101
pyridines wrote: post #89

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The very fact that it is able to search within a meaning-space demonstrates that it understands semantics, to some extent. Philosophically, that is profound, for something that is just one big matrix multiplication. Drawing connections between things in meaning-space is surely a facet of intelligence.

It’s not intelligence if you are the one who gives the correlations to the model in the pre-training. It’s Word2Vec, applied. Model doesn’t learn anything. You embed these correlations and build it from there. It just searches the space. As my AI professor said in the first lecture: “All AI is advanced search”.

They perform tasks too. They execute functions. This has real world implications beyond search.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by mannanj »

el_benhameen wrote: post #151
davidgh wrote: post #43

My son is currently learning Romanian and I was trying to help him with verbs. I don’t know Romanian but recalled when learning a foreign language for the first time it really helped me to break down how a verb form or tense worked in English, then learn the equivalent in the new language. So I wanted to make some charts and pages that he could use as learning resources. I used Claude to help. I don’t know how to qui…

This is a really good description of the problem. I’ve been trying to use Claude to get familiar with the mechanics of a new codebase, and there have been so many moments where I’ve stopped after reading the same paragraph five times in a row and thought “Am I tired? Or stupid? Or is this codebase just wildly more complex than anything I’ve seen before?” before realizing that it’s just taken English and smushed it ar…

Ironically, I've been already active on codex after trying it for the past 1.5 months, from Claude, and I find it to be similarly complex and confusing.

I think they all have the similar styles and tells. If I were to go to Claude, and use it now it would probably be clear for a little before reverting.

And I don't know why it feels to me like the language "drop off" happens after some time with the system. It makes me wonder if my account are getting silently degraded or sent to lower intelligence/lower priority queues after being a member for a while.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by recursive »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #197
recursive wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take issue with your "correct" answer. Q: Why do cows produce milk? A: Because calves (baby cows) drink it.

Yep, if the riddle asked "what do calves drink", then "milk" would definitely have been the correct answer.

Obviously. My point is that it's already not all that unreasonable, which you notably didn't address.
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