> alleged anti-competitive practices I'd say that with court ruling these are no longer alleged. Right?
If you're in the EU, sure
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This already happened. The US government cut off a judge at the international criminal court from her Office365 account because she was pressing a war crimes case against Benjamin Netanyahu. It's the reason why in the last year you've seen multiple European governments very quickly build an escape hatch against US tech. We all expect that you'll use our dependency on US services as a weapon, you've already done so, s…
If it's the same woman I'm thinking of Office365 is underselling it a bit - she's fully sanctioned by the US. She can't use debit/credit cards, any Apple/Google device or service, Amazon/eBay, etc. She's completely digitally crippled by sanctions. And she's one of several people. As a European I really hope we create an entirely separate homegrown tech sector, and fast.
Yes, I'm aware of the rest of it, I just didn't feel it particularly relevant to the discussion.
Yes, I'm with you. I'm grateful that most of the news I hear about this is relatively positive. I'm actually kind of in awe of how fast it's all moving. For all the talk about slow Europeans, that single ICC action seems to have launched a ton of initiatives.
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Some are more exposed than others.
I don't doubt there are some, but GP made it sound like every European company and institution is working feverishly on it, which just cannot be true.
A lot more people are working on it than I expected there to be.
It's the one time where the European Union's inability to advertise what they're doing is paying off in their favor. Then again, good, the operation of government isn't meant to be done through a tweet. We should resist the corruption of government to idiotic soundbites on platforms owned by American billionaires.
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#244These huge but turn-out-to-be nothing fines by the EU due to antitrust reasons seem a joke already. It is a laughable small percentage of the profits being imposed every now and then and when they feel like. The same holds for similar fines by specific countries. I will not be surprised if the paid sums end up to burocratic fueling or even corrupt high rank pockets. They have absolutely no impact to the company's behaviour. It's like the parking fine on the street costs less than a paid lot.
Re: Google loses fight over record $4.7B EU antitrust fine
#245> Europe’s top court has upheld Google’s fine of around 4.1 billion euros ($4.67 billion) over alleged anti-competitive practices. If they lost the case, and the appeal was dismissed, what is ‘alleged’ about it?
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Do you take fights with massive corporations personally?
Especially given that Google has been targeted by the US government too (although the shots have mostly missed - like the EU antitrust against Microsoft).
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They'll blame it on WWII but both South Korea and Japan were similarly devastated and both managed to develop world-class technology industries in the ensuing decades. Europe is the outlier and it's pointing to something fundamentally wrong that it was only able to produce a handful of interesting technology companies in all these years.
You're just blinded by propaganda. Europe has produced thousands upon thousands of interesting technology companies - it's just that very few of them are information technology companies. Claiming that something is wrong with Europe in general because it didn't produce interesting technology is an utterly ridiculous and uninformed take.
I think it is a marketing failure. The web was mentioned before, but ARM, Wifi, Bluetooth, the CD, all European inventions. There are core parts of the internet that are completely dominated by a European company but nobody knows. If we go back to the past, everyone had a Nokia phone at some point. There are services companies like Booking and Spotify. Then Linux and Python are from Europe as well.
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Why I cannot send email from my self-hosted, no dns, servers to gmail? email addresses with IP literals are much stronger than SPF (email is dropped if the IP of the SMTP client does not match the IP literal in the envelope and in all appropriate 'from' headers). I cannot browse youtube with a noscript/basic HTML browser (basic HTML element). It is not enough, much more is needed to make those companies behave.
You misunderstand the security apparatus required to prevent spam if you believe that IP matching is sufficient.
You are an hypocrit: spam from an email address with an IP literal?
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Why I cannot send email from my self-hosted, no dns, servers to gmail? email addresses with IP literals are much stronger than SPF (email is dropped if the IP of the SMTP client does not match the IP literal in the envelope and in all appropriate 'from' headers). I cannot browse youtube with a noscript/basic HTML browser (basic HTML element). It is not enough, much more is needed to make those companies behave.
> Why I cannot send email from my self-hosted, no dns, servers to gmail? Because email is a cesspool ruined by spammers and Google is doing the only sensible thing they can to block the scams and pill ads from reaching their users inboxes.
You did truncate the context: you have to add email addresses with IP literals. This does change everything.
google is more than anything else (and this has been a few years) following its agenda at making email just a private garden of messaging with a few "chosen ones" of his friends (selection based on $$$). They are presuming de facto anybody who does not fit their technical agenda to be a spammer. This is the same with their "web" with their web engines from the 'whatwg cartel'.
An IP/domain becomes a source of spam until it does. And with their billions of $$$, I guess they have an army of guys to handle that properly: trying hard enough to notify the owner with data, etc. Yes, this is 99% of the work which has to be done at gmail.
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If we're on the topic of hardware, let's remember that a few years before ARPANET, Olivetti was a powerhouse rivaling IBM. The ELEA mainframe came out with a competitive design in 1957. One of the reasons why things did not pan out is that, three years later, 58 years old Adriano Olivetti died of a heart attack on the train to Switzerland. Even discounting the theory of a CIA assassination (which has, nevertheless, b…
At one point in the 1980s, Olivetti was the world's third largest personal computer manufacturer[8] and remained the largest such European manufacturer during the 1990s - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti Wow, I'm genuinely surprised. I don't think I've even heard of them before now, despite growing up in the 80s and 90s in the UK. ZX Spectrum, BBC Micros, Acorns, but not Olivetti.
Apparently Olivetti controlled Acorn Computers (of ARM cpu fame) so maybe such things also contributed.
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