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Opening up 'Zero-Knowledge Proof' technology to promote privacy in age assurance

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Post by wmf »

miki123211 wrote: post #86
wmf wrote: post #24

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Ideally the government would be the issuer and the facilitator but the US lacks the state capacity to do this. Maybe it will work that way in Estonia.

The US is in the weird position of having a class of people (undocumented immigrants) who are often provisionally allowed to live there, known to their state in some capacity, and yet unable to receive some government documents that a permanent resident or citizen would be entitled to. Europe doesn't really have that status. Either you're known to the government and can receive documents from it, or you're a criminal…

I think that's been kind of solved by some states issuing IDs that don't make any claims about citizenship or immigration status. Then you could use that same ID online to prove age in our new dystopian future.

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Post by tsimionescu »

scotty79 wrote: post #234
tsimionescu wrote: post #209

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> And we don't blame feminism for every instance where a man is killed by a man hating woman. The fact that this is basically unheard of, while incels shooting up schools is somewhat common, may explain why blame is often thrown at one movement and not the other.

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So can you give an example of a crazed man-hating feminist woman engaging in a mass shooting? Or just of a woman engaging in a mass shooting (alone, not with a man) in the last, say, 10 years? 20 years? 50 years?

Because I can definitely give you examples of incels doing this. Not a huge amount, mind you, but at least some.

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Post by sciencejerk »

grey-area wrote: post #106
sciencejerk wrote: post #97

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I had to Google "man-o-sphere". Is it particularly more dangerous or toxic than other identity-based activist communities? Genuinely curious to know

Yes, a lot of it involves denigrating women and an entitled and very rigid attitude towards the male place in society (alphas etc). This is incredibly toxic for young men growing up and the women they interact with. Some of the more prominent proponents are actual pimps (the Tate brothers).

Is manosphere related to "red pill"?

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Post by u1hcw9nx »

brigandish wrote: post #171
Almondsetat wrote: post #167

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The web is not a magical place detached from reality. Wanting absolutely zero goverment involvement (which does not mean spying btw) with it is frankly absurd.

The web has not had age gating via large-scale government coercion since its inception. To claim that it's absurd to think we can do without it is to detach from that reality, and is itself absurd. The irony.

Web will not have age gating after this either.

The authentication requirements for some web pages have exited for a long time.

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Post by elcritch »

scott_w wrote: post #240
elcritch wrote: post #180

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How is that different than pervasive pornography though? Many young boys now think it’s normal to ask girls for sexual acts before having ever kissed a girl.

Huge gap between producing material that depicts (presumably) consensual sexual activities between adults and telling young boys to commit rape.

Practically speaking there's not much difference since there's a large amount of violent or extreme pornography which also teaches boys that directly or indirectly. It also teaches girls that it's "ok" cause they see it online.

There's many studies and organizations who publish warnings about violent pornography and young adults:

Dr Ruth Weir of City St George's, University of London, said extreme porn had been "normalised online" and was now "playing out in young people's relationships". [1]

1: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8e82pwyg33o

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Post by elcritch »

squidbeak wrote: post #200
elcritch wrote: post #180

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How is that different than pervasive pornography though? Many young boys now think it’s normal to ask girls for sexual acts before having ever kissed a girl.

> Many young boys now think it’s normal to ask girls for sexual acts before having ever kissed a girl. This is a common media talking point, but are there any hard figures for this 'many'? The type you're describing existed when I was young, long before the internet. My impression of boys and young men today is that they are generally just as decent, cautious, respectful and idealistic as they ever were - but that a…

I don't think it's a "reputation" issue, more of a what they're being exposed to and what it's normalizing. From studies I've seen it's a significant percentage (from a random Google search [1]):

The review talked to young people aged 13 to 19 and surveyed 1,000 young people aged 16 to 21. Over 6 in 10 (64%) said they had seen online pornography. Of these:

    1 in 10 (10%) of nine-year-olds had seen pornography
    3 in 10 (27%) of children had seen pornography by age 11
    Half (50%) of children had seen it by age 13
    4 in 5 (79%) had seen violent pornography before the age of 18, with the report stating “young people are frequently exposed to violent pornography, depicting coercive, degrading or pain-inducing sex acts”.
1: https://www.fpa.org.uk/rshe-for-teachers/uk-online-child-sex...

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Post by pphysch »

nearlyepic wrote: post #98
pphysch wrote: post #87

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Manosphere content is toxic and harmful but the hyperviolence and desensitisation of the former should not be downplayed. That's where the mass shooters evidently come from.

> That's where the mass shooters evidently come from. I mean, quite a few have come from proto-manosphere circles, too. Elliot Rodger comes to mind.

I wouldn't equate incel with manosphere. Manosphere is often hypersexual and about greed/consumption and being insecure and getting scammed, whereas inceldom is more hate-based.

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Post by jplusequalt »

sciencejerk wrote: post #243
grey-area wrote: post #106

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Yes, a lot of it involves denigrating women and an entitled and very rigid attitude towards the male place in society (alphas etc). This is incredibly toxic for young men growing up and the women they interact with. Some of the more prominent proponents are actual pimps (the Tate brothers).

Is manosphere related to "red pill"?

Yes

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Post by mrguyorama »

scotty79 wrote: post #234
tsimionescu wrote: post #209

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> And we don't blame feminism for every instance where a man is killed by a man hating woman. The fact that this is basically unheard of, while incels shooting up schools is somewhat common, may explain why blame is often thrown at one movement and not the other.

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Half the country talks about feminism like it is an existential threat, including the millions upon millions of people who consume manosphere content.
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