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Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by gojibary »

preg_match wrote: post #225
christoph wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed - Persona is backed by Founders Fund - also linked to lovely companies like Palantir, Flock & Anduril. Some people still (claim they) can’t see the massive dragnet swirling around all of society right now.

It’s especially frustrating with Anthropic because we’ve known about issues with Persona for a while now, with discord. But anthropic leadership I guess is like any company leadership - stupid, blind, and lazy. Just go with the vendor whose name you know. Anthropic could have EASILY made an in-house solution with < 100 employees. But no, they have to make the same mistakes that behemoths like IBM and Oracle make. Y’a…

In-house would almost certainly mean future prosecution by the US. Using a company connected to Palantir means any employee of the US government that wants to keep their job won't ask questions.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by fpoling »

chasil wrote: post #157
AnonEM00se wrote: post #129

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I got an email from OpenAI letting me know I won’t be a teenager anymore next week. It’s so exciting to have AI roll back my age by more than half! I then looked at their age verification and it used that problematic company so I cancelled out.

Anthropic does not allow... "Digital or mobile IDs." Why on earth not?

Many such IDs are designed for local physical verification, like proof that the mobile phone owner is above certain age or has a valid driving license, they are not designed for remote verification.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by Animats »

data-ottawa wrote: post #154

The US is really shooting itself in the foot here. The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago. As a non-US citizen Opus 4.8 is the best American LLM I will ever have access to. That's no longer up for debate or question. Each month that I pay Anthropic is now a depreciating value -- I'm paying for models I'll never…

> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market where it was difficult to justify investment two weeks ago.

Note the big cut in token prices from China.

[1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202606/1363827.shtml

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by objclxt »

fpoling wrote: post #242
chasil wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic does not allow... "Digital or mobile IDs." Why on earth not?

Many such IDs are designed for local physical verification, like proof that the mobile phone owner is above certain age or has a valid driving license, they are not designed for remote verification.

> Many such IDs are designed for local physical verification, like proof that the mobile phone owner is above certain age or has a valid driving license, they are not designed for remote verification.

This is incorrect, the Digital Credentials API[1] is designed so that identity information can be remotely verified in a cryptographically secure manner.

There is no reason Anthropic could not use the DC API for this in countries and states that support digital identity, I assume they simply aren't because they threw this together at the last minute and simply out-sourced it to Persona.

[1]: https://www.w3.org/TR/digital-credentials/

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by misnome »

fluidcruft wrote: post #224
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #175

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That's the implied suggestion from the verification that they can prove to only share it with US citizens

My understanding was that until they can make sure it cannot be weaponized against the US, only US citizens will be allowed to use it. (Read: the US lacks authority to ban use by citizens and doesn't want to risk their hand in court, particularly since lawyers who know anything have all left US government and what remains are complete incompetent jokes who can't even win slam-dunk cases due to repeated procedural err…

Please don’t be dumb enough to take whatever they say in good faith.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dom96 »

I don't mind this, what I do mind is that there is still no way to verify my identity without giving private information to third parties. Why aren't governments building zero knowledge proof-based solutions to this?

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by fragmede »

JimDabell wrote: post #120
inigyou wrote: post #108

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If I told them who I was and then failed to verify that, they don't know who I am because they think I'm lying about who I am. Otherwise what stops me DoSing Sam Altman's account by saying I'm him and then failing to verify?

> If I told them who I was and then failed to verify that, they don't know who I am because they think I'm lying about who I am. They know who you claim to be. It’s not like they just delete all information about you when you fail verification. They are perfectly capable of seeing that two separate accounts are both claiming to be the same person. > Otherwise what stops me DoSing Sam Altman's account by saying I'm hi…

Fun fact, if you're celebrity you get a special customer support phone number at most major corporations EG Apple because "Hi I'm Taylor Swift" gets tried a lot.

Re: Identity verification on Claude

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Post by dofm »

dom96 wrote: post #247

I don't mind this, what I do mind is that there is still no way to verify my identity without giving private information to third parties. Why aren't governments building zero knowledge proof-based solutions to this?

Is exactly the question. Maybe this will actually make that happen.

(I believe some EU countries do have digital attestation tools?)

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