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Iroh 1.0

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Re: Iroh 1.0

#241

This might sound pointed, but it truly isn't - why is this approach not already commonplace? As a concept, looking up a verifiable identity makes sense, but often ideas that made sense were looked into and discarded for valid reasons. Would be good to understand those to better understand when/when not to use the project?

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Re: Iroh 1.0

#242

> Dial keys Maybe it's in the video I didn't watch, but I really think paragraph one should make clear what kind of keys and why. Cryptographic? Asymmetric? How do they do the job, at even the most basic level? It never explains, just dives into abstract claims of superiority and usage stats. I gather relays are involved; this would be a good thing to mention right away instead of making me sift it from the HN discus…

I saw the video and still have no idea what they are. Also, “never locked in” but then “pricing” and why is one paying for “apps” but self hosting relays?

Re: Iroh 1.0

#243
Maybe it's just me but it's not clear immediately what this is about. I did get a sense after spending enough time. Just feedback.

Re: Iroh 1.0

#244

> Dial keys Maybe it's in the video I didn't watch, but I really think paragraph one should make clear what kind of keys and why. Cryptographic? Asymmetric? How do they do the job, at even the most basic level? It never explains, just dives into abstract claims of superiority and usage stats. I gather relays are involved; this would be a good thing to mention right away instead of making me sift it from the HN discus…

While the frontpage doesn't go in depth, the docs quickly do: First with https://docs.iroh.computer/what-is-iroh and then following up with the how it works section. The docs are actually good from what I can see so far. From what questions you brought up so for it seems to answer them pretty quickly.

The doc still doesn't show what such a 'key' looks like? Why can't there be a simple infographic that goes like

    127.0.0.1 -> 'key'

Re: Iroh 1.0

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The future of networking is decentralization. I'm a huge fan of Yggdrasil and I2P. We should just be able to buy a mini PC to run 24/7 and host whatever it is that we need on it and seamlessly connect to others. A lot of techies already have older spare machines laying around collecting dust that can become servers. It is far cheaper in the long run and easier to maintain than having to deal with domains and server h…

It's been the future for at least 20 years now.

This post may be sarcastic, but some of us really have been living in the future so to speak, more than others. It's the nature of novel, groundbreaking tech. Adoption is not immediate.

Re: Iroh 1.0

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post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the frontpage doesn't go in depth, the docs quickly do: First with https://docs.iroh.computer/what-is-iroh and then following up with the how it works section. The docs are actually good from what I can see so far. From what questions you brought up so for it seems to answer them pretty quickly.

The doc still doesn't show what such a 'key' looks like? Why can't there be a simple infographic that goes like 127.0.0.1 -> 'key'

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Re: Iroh 1.0

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I am one of the iroh developers. A question that frequently comes up: when will iroh support webrtc, or BLE, or LoRa, or ... Iroh as of now supports only IPv4, IPv6 and relay transports out of the box. There is such a large variety of potentially interesting transports out there that we can't support all of them without turning the codebase into an unmaintainable maze of feature flags. But we have added the ability t…

Hey, just reading through the docs, this looks like a pretty cool project and I found your p2p chat example[0] I'm trying to understand it's limitations, if I used this to build a p2p client / server setup or even two peer machines, what else do I need to setup to be able to have connections between the two applications? For example, could I create an application that runs on my phone and another that runs on my lapt…

You'll get a direct connection in most cases, but sometimes it will need to fall back to relays. n0 provides free relays, but ultimately that can get rather expensive. You can also run your own relays for your app.

Re: Iroh 1.0

#248
post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the frontpage doesn't go in depth, the docs quickly do: First with https://docs.iroh.computer/what-is-iroh and then following up with the how it works section. The docs are actually good from what I can see so far. From what questions you brought up so for it seems to answer them pretty quickly.

The doc still doesn't show what such a 'key' looks like? Why can't there be a simple infographic that goes like 127.0.0.1 -> 'key'

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Re: Iroh 1.0

#249

> Dial keys Maybe it's in the video I didn't watch, but I really think paragraph one should make clear what kind of keys and why. Cryptographic? Asymmetric? How do they do the job, at even the most basic level? It never explains, just dives into abstract claims of superiority and usage stats. I gather relays are involved; this would be a good thing to mention right away instead of making me sift it from the HN discus…

Having spent a while trying to understand it, I believe the keys are serving a dual purpose as an encryption key and as a stable identifier along the lines of a session cookie that might be used for a WebRTC video call.

Here's my summary from Lobste.rs, keeping in mind I'm not an expert and only found this project today:

> [..] this is closer to an opinionated WebRTC setup that handles assigning a persistent ID to clients. All the work of making a signaling server is taken care of and the solution is generic enough and cheap enough to run that you can get away with using a community hosted one. Kinda similar to what you get with Steam’s proprietary p2p gamenetworkingsocket infrastructure

https://lobste.rs/s/cslljn/iroh_1_0_dial_keys_not_ips#c_s3na...

Re: Iroh 1.0

#250
post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the frontpage doesn't go in depth, the docs quickly do: First with https://docs.iroh.computer/what-is-iroh and then following up with the how it works section. The docs are actually good from what I can see so far. From what questions you brought up so for it seems to answer them pretty quickly.

The doc still doesn't show what such a 'key' looks like? Why can't there be a simple infographic that goes like 127.0.0.1 -> 'key'

The info graphic shows the flow in `What is iroh?`, and quickly looking at the endpoint area you can see what the key is: https://docs.iroh.computer/connecting/creating-endpoint#pers...

It might be the docs just mesh with how I think about things. The creators should expand on this, since people seem to not mesh with the current info.

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