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Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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It's sort a "broken clock right twice a day" thing, but I agree with not doing offshore wind in the US. The divergence immediately follows in that I wish they would just push onshore wind. It's sort of a circular issue, it's madly expensive because we haven't built a lot and aren't super good at it, and we don't get much of it built because we aren't great at it and it always is ludicrously expensive. The US has a un…

Ocean winds are strong and predictable in ways that are really beneficial to the wind farms so the extra costs are balanced out by the fact that there's always a strong usable wind to harness too. Also the "we're bad at this because we don't do the so we can't do this" is throwing away a great project and solution because of a temporary problem. Once we start doing it in significant numbers we'll rapidly get better a…

There is very nice Global Wind Atlas:

https://globalwindatlas.info/en/

Like for many kind of technology the are both advantages and disadvantages to offshore wind farms.

"Advantages:

    Offshore wind speeds tend to be faster than on land.1 Small increases in wind speed yield large increases in energy production: a turbine in a 15-mph wind can generate twice as much energy as a turbine in a 12-mph wind. Faster wind speeds offshore mean much more energy can be generated.

    Offshore wind speeds tend to be steadier than on land.1 A steadier supply of wind means a more reliable source of energy.

    Many coastal areas have very high energy needs. Half of the United States’ population lives in coastal areas,1 with concentrations in major coastal cities. Building offshore wind farms in these areas can help to meet those energy needs from nearby sources.

    Offshore wind farms have many of the same advantages as land-based wind farms – they provide renewable energy; they do not consume water; they provide a domestic energy source; they create jobs; and they do not emit environmental pollutants or greenhouse gases.2
Disadvantages:

    Offshore wind farms can be expensive and difficult to build and maintain. In particular:

        It is very hard to build robust and secure wind farms in water deeper than around 200 feet (~60 m), or over half a football field’s length. Although coastal waters off the east coast of the U.S. are relatively shallow, almost all of the potential wind energy resources off the west coast are in waters exceeding this depth.3 Floating wind turbines are beginning to overcome this challenge.

        Wave action, and even very high winds, particularly during heavy storms or hurricanes, can damage wind turbines.1
        The production and installation of power cables under the 
seafloor to transmit electricity back to land can be very expensive.1

    Effects of offshore wind farms on marine animals and birds are not fully understood.4

    Offshore wind farms built within view of the coastline (up to 26 miles offshore, depending on viewing conditions5) may be unpopular among local residents, and may affect tourism and property values.3
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Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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I think that's part of what's notable about this. The administration hasn't been able to reverse the trend despite putting a massive thumb on the scale against projects like offshore wind and tariffs on solar panel imports. There's probably a delay in the effects though since projects started before they took office are probably starting to thin out and finish up. We'd have to look into the permitting of new projects…

Tariffs on solar panel imports should stimulate domestic solar panel production, but only when they are high enough and applied long enough to justify investments into new solar panel manufacturing facilities.

Is oil production equipment similarly tariffed? No part of that supply chain comes from China? Otherwise, why solar panels specifically?

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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Dumb waste of money, paying an order of magnitude more.

Either you want to secure the full energy chain or you do not. There are many comments in this thread about how the solar panels come from China. If that bothers you, there needs to be some financial reason for a domestic factory to open.

> Either you want to secure the full energy chain or you do not.

Is every part of the fossil fuel production chain "secure"? All oil production and processing equipment, chemicals and so forth are produced domestically?

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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I think the idea of offshore wind is nice. There is a lot of ocean out there and by putting the "ugly" (I don't mind them.) turbines out of sight we get the best of both worlds. But the realities of the idea - the engineering - is problematic. The ocean is a harsh environment and maintaining something deliberately put out of the way in a harsher environment is far more expensive.

There are a lot of ocean, but limited shores. I guess that's the only economical place to build it, but of course it blocks scenery. If people truly built it in open ocean, less people will complain.

"It is very hard to build robust and secure wind farms in water deeper than around 200 feet (~60 m)"

https://profession.americangeosciences.org/society/intersect...

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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Tariffs on solar panel imports should stimulate domestic solar panel production, but only when they are high enough and applied long enough to justify investments into new solar panel manufacturing facilities.

Is oil production equipment similarly tariffed? No part of that supply chain comes from China? Otherwise, why solar panels specifically?

Top oil field equipment suppliers and manufacturers in the world are from: France, Switzerland, US, UK, Norway

https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/blog/list-top-global-oilf...

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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Tariffs on solar panel imports should stimulate domestic solar panel production, but only when they are high enough and applied long enough to justify investments into new solar panel manufacturing facilities.

Is oil production equipment similarly tariffed? No part of that supply chain comes from China? Otherwise, why solar panels specifically?

"The research results show that China controls the supply of primary materials, manufacturing, installed capacity, and recycling capacity. China alone produces at least 80 % of the main components of PVs."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S277273782...

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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Is oil production equipment similarly tariffed? No part of that supply chain comes from China? Otherwise, why solar panels specifically?

"The research results show that China controls the supply of primary materials, manufacturing, installed capacity, and recycling capacity. China alone produces at least 80 % of the main components of PVs." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S277273782...

I'm asking about the supply chain for drilling, refining, and processing oil, my friend. Is that supply chain completely domestic? Nothing from China in there?

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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Is oil production equipment similarly tariffed? No part of that supply chain comes from China? Otherwise, why solar panels specifically?

Top oil field equipment suppliers and manufacturers in the world are from: France, Switzerland, US, UK, Norway https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/blog/list-top-global-oilf...

And what about the suppliers of those manufacturers?

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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No, storage (and transmission) are, in fact, THE issue. They always were. Solar is cheap and easy to install. Balancing a net zero grid without storage and with the pitiful transmission we have now is simply not possible. See: california. The entire CAISO is a power laundering scheme to allow california to have publicly have huge amounts of solar power that overproduces enormously (including strongly negative power p…

California? The state that hasn't had a blackout since 2020, the state with the lowest wholesale electricity cost, by far? https://cleantechnica.com/2026/05/30/california-lowest-whole...

California doesn't have rolling blackouts because they created an entire energy market expressly devoted to feeding carbon intensive power into california to cover the many, many, many required MWh that californian solar can't address. This isn't a matter of opinion, you can look at the CAISO power flow statistics online.

Re: Solar generates more energy in US than coal for first time

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But then normal people would have more money, and centi-millionaires would have less. Apparently, both are against the US government's policy.

The centi prefix means one hundredth, as in centi-metre. So a centi-millionaire would have only 10 thousand :-) You mean a hecto-millionaire.

Centipedes are having a bad day.
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