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MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by digitaltrees »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #239
digitaltrees wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is giving away AI for free so it’s harder to make money. The same strategy they did with solar panels. Sell them at a loss long enough until the manufacturers go out of business and you’re the only one surviving. Then flip to extract monopoly profits

Does that apply to US open weights models too? Was Llama an attempt by Meta to destroy America's economy?

Yes. Releasing open weights seems to be an effort to slow down competition. Facebook was behind. Grok was behind.

Don’t get me wrong, I am glad they are doing it, I personally use open source models. In part to not spend money on the other APIs. So it’s clear that some percentage of what would be paying uses choose to not pay. The other part of opensource is free community labor. How much development work did Facebook get for free around the core infrastructure of react by open sourcing it? A massive amount that they did pay for but benefit from.

The point is, it may benefit society, and yet that social benefit wasn’t the motive for them releasing it as open source.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

#242

Post by jchw »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Because Claude Code is literally nothing particularly special. We don't need their business model. They need their business model, and to that I say, tough shit.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by angry_octet »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #226
angry_octet wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't be giving this away, at least not for some years. It almost certainly has distillation data embedded in it, and that would be a smoking gun.

What? I just searched the web and the results say MiMo V2.5 Pro is fully open source. The weights seem to be out there. Distillation is not a problem.

There are certainly open weights which are available, I don't know if that is what is running on the service.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by devmor »

digitaltrees wrote: post #241
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that apply to US open weights models too? Was Llama an attempt by Meta to destroy America's economy?

Yes. Releasing open weights seems to be an effort to slow down competition. Facebook was behind. Grok was behind. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad they are doing it, I personally use open source models. In part to not spend money on the other APIs. So it’s clear that some percentage of what would be paying uses choose to not pay. The other part of opensource is free community labor. How much development work did Faceboo…

I don’t think the motive matters to a large extent if the effect is good.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

#245

Post by selcuka »

impulser_ wrote: post #224
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

Because there is literally nothing special about coding hardnesses. The models are doing all the lifting. It just user experience that separates them. A coding hardness with just bash outperforms Codex, Claude Code, OpenCode, Pi ect. The added features are just user experience features.

Your reply doesn't answer the question: What is their motivation for any of it?

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by devmor »

digitaltrees wrote: post #201
devmor wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What?

China is giving away AI for free so it’s harder to make money. The same strategy they did with solar panels. Sell them at a loss long enough until the manufacturers go out of business and you’re the only one surviving. Then flip to extract monopoly profits

Isn’t that the standard economic playbook for all well funded businesses at this point? Walmart, Uber, Amazon, etc

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by IncRnd »

impulser_ wrote: post #240
avadodin wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A harness(notice the lack of a 'd') is a strap system to gain control over something. Like the thing people attach a dog lead to so that their kids won't just go kamikaze into a car. Coding harnesses are named by analogy to that. They are not hard.

You got to miss spell these days or people assume your ai :)

That's very punnyy

Its like yuo're on fire!

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

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Post by randbyte »

tw04 wrote: post #150
tdesilva wrote: post #141

Good, coding harnesses should be open source and LLMs should be treated as commodities. Minimize switching costs for consumers, and let people understand how they're interacting with the context and the LLM outputs. The industry has been moving the wrong direction with Claude Code staying closed (despite multiple times leaking the source code!) and the open source Gemini CLI being deprecated in favor of closed source…

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

> cloud providers should be commodity

They are already.

> and should open source all of their platforms

Most of the cloud platforms are open source. Linux, container, k8s… it’s entirely possible for someone to build and deploy their private cloud if they have the resources.

> and eliminate egress fees

What does it mean? If I sign up for cloud service I am only bound to the contract terms. If I am PAYGO I can switch anytime.

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

#249

Post by isityettime »

randbyte wrote: post #248
tw04 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a company do any of these things? What is their motivation for any of it? That’s like saying cloud providers should be commodity and should open source all of their platforms and eliminate egress fees so customers can easily leave at any point in time. That’s a charity, not a business model.

> cloud providers should be commodity They are already. > and should open source all of their platforms Most of the cloud platforms are open source. Linux, container, k8s… it’s entirely possible for someone to build and deploy their private cloud if they have the resources. > and eliminate egress fees What does it mean? If I sign up for cloud service I am only bound to the contract terms. If I am PAYGO I can switch a…

> Most of the cloud platforms are open source. Linux, container, k8s…

Linux isn't a cloud platform and neither is Docker.

Kubernetes was created specifically to create a way in against AWS' de facto public cloud monopoly. The Cloud Native Compute Foundation is a classic "alliance of smaller players uses open-source and interoperability as a wedge against an incumbent that threatens hegemony".

> it’s entirely possible for someone to build and deploy their private cloud if they have the resources.

What is there for that, really? Basically just OpenStack?

Re: MiMo Code is now released and open-source

#250

Post by galaxyLogic »

devmor wrote: post #244
digitaltrees wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Releasing open weights seems to be an effort to slow down competition. Facebook was behind. Grok was behind. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad they are doing it, I personally use open source models. In part to not spend money on the other APIs. So it’s clear that some percentage of what would be paying uses choose to not pay. The other part of opensource is free community labor. How much development work did Faceboo…

I don’t think the motive matters to a large extent if the effect is good.

Motive probabaly doesn't matter in the end, outcome does. But understanding the motive is a good thing.
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