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Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by neilv »

If the article's description evoked applications like old missile guidance system methods based on geographic features... this Wikipedia screenshot's imagery looks like it would also be good for precision drone attacks against urban small civilian structures and select individuals within/around them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Go#/media/File:Po...

Wartime propaganda poster: "Loose Surveillance Capitalism Children's Game Apps Sink Your Own Darn City, to an AI autonomous drone swarm assault that surgically neutralizes whatever the worst people want to neutralize".

AI, please rework that into a catchier slogan, and render it as a printable US WW2 OPSEC poster style PDF, but without storing my prompt and-- Hey, what's that buzzing soun--

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by u8080 »

somelamer567 wrote: post #224
tim333 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russians seem to refer to most people not helping them as enemies. Often as nazis too.

Exactly. Russians seem to understand the word "Nazis" is a less-literate way than the rest of the world. "Nazi" -- in Russia -- means anybody that Russia hates, resents, is jealous of, or otherwise dislikes. Anybody not explicitly in Russia's thrall is "anti-Russian", considered an enemy, and is hence labelled a "Nazi". Coincidentally, this "Whoever isn't with us, is against us" thinking is a hallmark of fascist regi…

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by muyuu »

monegator wrote: post #239
muyuu wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why they have a full blown war in their borders and they're powerless without American hardware and intelligence. Also they're right now scrambling to allocate huge investments in weaponry, of course late, but better than never.

Full blown war: putin scared that more territories will want to join the EU block. No internal wars and more countries wishing to enter the block. Powerless without american hardware and intelligence: You wish. Big tech is spending so much lobbying our governments in fear of us leaving them for open solutions, or god forbid paying fair amount of taxes. And regarding intelligence, we would have been so much better wit…

They're supplicants to NATO, a pathetic situation America shouldn't be striving to replicate.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by slumberlust »

newsclues wrote: post #125
fragmede wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data isn't guns though. Guns aren't a dual use technology that have a nonviolent purpose. Data is. The same data that trains military drones can also be used to train the robot that will bring food to grandma when she's so old that she can't walk up the stairs anymore.

Shooting guns for target practice is fun and non violent. Guns feed families and protect people too. They are dual use like all tech from knives to nukes.

Peel a potato with your glock and ill buy your pedantry.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by win311fwg »

pj_mukh wrote: post #165
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). But presumably the images/models at ground level can be used to train/improve the general performance of Vantor's aerial (satelite based) navigation system so it works better elsewhere?

No the tech doesn’t work like that AFAIK. The most common use case is exactly localization (think “HD maps” for autonomous cars). It almost 1-1 data correlation, n-phone Pokémon go scans of a location helping a drone locate itself in the same location in correlation with Maxar’s satellite data. There maybe some hyper corner case uses. Maybe the billion scans in New York City help them generalize across different phon…

> It almost 1-1 data correlation, n-phone Pokémon go scans of a location helping a drone locate itself in the same location in correlation with Maxar’s satellite data.

The headline, which I do understand is in question, talks about training, not using the scans as a database. It is likely that you are right that the scans are not being used to provide localization data, but that is also not what the headline is pointing to.

The headline specifically speaks to using the scans for training. While I do not have any inside baseball, the problem space is often solved using neural nets and other machine learning algorithms. On the surface it seems likely that they would benefit from training data that doesn't necessarily need to be from where the conflict is actually taking place. A base world model, for example, can be developed from data collected anywhere in the world. Its is not an entirely different universe when you step into another country.

But you are suggesting that the algorithms used are entirely classical (i.e. no AI/ML)?

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by johannes1234321 »

emperorxanu wrote: post #215
johannes1234321 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite obvious that data is what pays the game. A lot of data about the players )daily routine, commute to work/school, social circles to other players, etc. which allows to derive Job, wealth, etc.), data about surroundings (where do people actually walk, drive, ... etc.) The story here however I'm not too sure about: Isn't the game mostly played in dense urban areas? - by the time you need military drones there…

I had assumed the purpose of the data was more in generalising across variegated input sources to better allow the drones to fly on their own in urban settings, aka, adapt more readily to randomness? Better datasets for multimodal training etc. I am not joking though, I really would consider any data generated on public assets to be considered "releasable" to the public. How many people should get killed by self-driv…

I am all for public code. But mind: the whole point of Pokemon go is to collect data. If they have to publish it as open data their business case goes away.

This may be good and we'd still not have the data (but "they" can collect on their own privately/secretly)

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by somelamer567 »

u8080 wrote: post #242
somelamer567 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Russians seem to understand the word "Nazis" is a less-literate way than the rest of the world. "Nazi" -- in Russia -- means anybody that Russia hates, resents, is jealous of, or otherwise dislikes. Anybody not explicitly in Russia's thrall is "anti-Russian", considered an enemy, and is hence labelled a "Nazi". Coincidentally, this "Whoever isn't with us, is against us" thinking is a hallmark of fascist regi…

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Ad-hominem attack.

Can you do better?

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by senderista »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #198
sciencejerk wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Details?

from 1 day ago: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomou...

I love how Western media will just print anything the Ukrainian government tells them with zero confirmation.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by reaperducer »

Aurornis wrote: post #195
drfloyd51 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver. Currently active theaters. And now there are detailed locations of our cities. We might not get killbots today but we will get pacificationbots.

> And now there are detailed locations of our cities. The Pokémon Go data is for small little islands around their points of interest (pokestops). It’s not a detailed city map. The data is extremely sparse and only covers little tiny bubble around their sparse in game POIs. The way it was represented as some sort of high resolution city map or world model was quite ridiculous.

The Pokémon Go data is for small little islands around their points of interest (pokestops).

That's not the impression I get from the TV ads.

The ads they run show people walking along sidewalks and through forested paths and through parks in AR mode.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by mjanx123 »

pj_mukh wrote: post #111

As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD. This is mostly an ideological battle.

Will the drones at least look like Pikachu?
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