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Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Mouseless website totally forgets to sell the product. Had to dig into the docs to understand how its used, what is offers.

The video shows it, but it takes a bit of effort to grok. They could use some explanatory graphics.

Also, not OSS but $49 for a lifetime license. I suppose that I could spend less on tokens to repro the idea for my private use. I like the idea.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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post #72

I prefer ShortCat's model: https://shortcat.app/ Similar to Vimium, but for the whole OS. Apparently Homerow is similar, judging from comments I'm seeing here. I really wish I knew an equivalent for Linux. I might even leave Gnome behind if a different DE has a good model for this.

ShortCat has a beautiful slogan: "Manipulate macOS masterfully, minus the mouse."

The picture shows it nicely, too.

(But I bet that most Macbook users don't even use a mouse.)

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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post #72

I prefer ShortCat's model: https://shortcat.app/ Similar to Vimium, but for the whole OS. Apparently Homerow is similar, judging from comments I'm seeing here. I really wish I knew an equivalent for Linux. I might even leave Gnome behind if a different DE has a good model for this.

I haven't tried either yet, but vimium-everywhere and hints seem quite similar. https://github.com/phil294/vimium-everywhere https://github.com/AlfredoSequeida/hints

I like Vimium. But does it allow you to do arbitrary drag actions, as this thing does?

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Wow, as cool as this is, it's kind of a shame that we need to say "use coords to show where the mouse should click" instead of designing interfaces that keep pointing-device-free users in mind.

But that's the point for me. Unlike e.g. Vimium, this thing is not limited to clicking clicky things, but allows to imitate nearly arbitrary mouse movements, very quickly. There are cases when it's important.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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post #138

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It was a significant downside of MacOS from the beginning, and it still is.

That seems incredibly subjective. For people with carpal tunnel like myself, having to do everything on the keyboard can be very painful. The mouse alleviates that and gives visual feedback.

That's a good reason to support the mouse as a backup peripheral, but not a good reason to gimp keyboards in your interface.

Seeing as both can be accommodated, I would argue it's an objective limitation of macOS.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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I recently installed https://www.neverclick.com/ (windows only), which also offers an "intelligent" mode that detects possible clickable zones

Thank you for this. Seems like a great utility. I am just starting to play with the configuration, but was wondering if this app is sending my data anywhere, or if all the 'computer vision' is being performed locally. If the latter, I can use it!

Bonus points if you know how to alter the location of hint labels instead of the targets that the hints point to. I've found the controls for putting the targets essentially wherever I like, but the hint locations don't seem to be as customizable?

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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post #130

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I get that this might annoy you, but there is a direct trace all the way back to the original Mac in 1984 that required a mouse. As time went on and the two other OSes we still have gained mouse support (Windows, Linux) from their keyboard roots, they brought forward their ethos of keyboard navigation. Mac OS resolutely stayed attached to its mouse only roots.

“When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI.” Well Tim, I suppose the blind do outnumber the handless.

Can confirm.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems incredibly subjective. For people with carpal tunnel like myself, having to do everything on the keyboard can be very painful. The mouse alleviates that and gives visual feedback.

That's a good reason to support the mouse as a backup peripheral, but not a good reason to gimp keyboards in your interface. Seeing as both can be accommodated, I would argue it's an objective limitation of macOS.

Fair point

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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As much as I love vim, I still want my cursor tied to the mouse when I'm in a web browser. If you recorded how I browse, you'd see seemingly random mouse movements, clicks, drags, and scrolling. I think it helps me read and keep track of where I am. Though it's hard to say whether it's a net positive.

Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows

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post #83

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The trackpoint is the main reason I find it so hard to move away from Lenovo Thinkpads. The buttons under the spacebar alone are super convenient.

Not just hard - impossible. To the point of making it harder to find a job, as very few jobs let you use a non-Windows ThinkPad. (I mean yeah, of course AuDHD makes it harder to find a job, no surprise there. But it's a shame that laptop manufacturers make it even harder.)

There are folks who have added them to external keyboard builds: https://kbd.news/How-to-integrate-a-trackpoint-into-your-key...
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