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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by esskay »

King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

BYD are genuinely decent cars. And they've skyrocketed in popularity across parts of the world.

In the UK the major car dealers are franchises, and you tend to see for example a Ford garage next to a Toyota garage, and they are operated by the same company. Most of these places have closed one of the branded ones and turned it into a BYD franchise dealership. Theres so many of them across the country now.

I'd take a BYD over something like a Tesla thats for sure - far better cars, it's not even a fair comparison anymore.

I dare say they'll struggle a little more in the US with the whole "China bad" propaganda engrained into society, which is likely why BYD have gone for the agressive expansion in Europe instead.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by acdha »

p_l wrote: post #148
acdha wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. I’m reminded of all the dismissals people made about the skill levels of Indian software developers when the explanation was that the more skilled ones knew they could do better than the MBAs were offering t…

Unfortunately, the manager pushing the outsourcing pockets the money, outsourcing company pockets the money, and the local and indian teams get to be abused and latter gets extra blame for things outside their control. I would say the problem is heavily structural and linked to few companies that very much pursue lowest possible effort, harming both employee and customer. We had a company that infamously pursued a so…

Yes - I remember one time hearing someone from a big consulting company make the argument that even the top Indian graduates would work for peanuts (even by local standards) and asking them how likely it was that they’d be that smart but unable to determine their market value.

This was unsurprising after my entire life hearing people complain about declining quality and imported junk while always picking the cheapest item on the shelf at the store, even when they had plenty of money for a better quality option. There’s just a certain mindset which can’t look past the lowest possible price.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by esskay »

veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

The "Two sides" you're spotting is US posters vs non US posters. It's not exactly a secret that the US has long had a propaganda process going against China with their own citizens. From the outside it's weird how 'cult like' some parts of the US education system come across with things like this. It's similar to the whole socialism = communism = bad fear embedded into US society.

The US obviously isn't the only one guilty of this kind of thing, it just happens to have been one of the most effective.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by zimpenfish »

Terr_ wrote: post #199
dash2 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that a mistake?

I'm guessing parent-poster is saying the "is" should be "are", on the basis that the word "components" is plural. That said, I didn't perceive a problem either, and my self-diagnosis is that "none of the X" feels like it could be evoking a singular item that failed to be found.

> "none of the X"

But it was "none of -these- X" which (to me, at least) is a secondary signal for plurality indicating that "are" is (doubly) preferable to "is".

(I don't find "none of these components is ..." to be egregiously wrong but it definitely gives a brain hiccup where the "... are ..." variant is much smoother.)

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by alberto467 »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #166
quijoteuniv wrote: post #162

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Vertical integration matters. If BYD controls much of the chain from the mine to the ship, they’re not paying everyone else’s margin along the way. That can translate into more car for the money. I own a BYD Tang, so I’m biased, but the value for money has been hard to beat. Scale probably helps too. When you sell millions of cars using many of the same parts, availability is better and parts are more likely to stay…

> Vertical integration matters. If BYD controls much of the chain from the mine to the ship, they’re not paying everyone else’s margin along the way. That can translate into more car for the money. This is interesting. Wasn't the idea in Europe (and maybe elsewhere, too, no idea) that outsourcing components would lead to economies of scale? After all, a Mercedes or BMW or VW seat is still roughly a seat? It's interes…

It does also just depend at what scale you operate at.

If you're already at a huge scale there isn't really a significant scale advantage by outsourcing to somebody who doesn't just sell to you.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by tancop »

qalmakka wrote: post #144
hakfoo wrote: post #124

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I thought GlobalFoundries was AMD's fab division spun off.

Precisely. IBM paid them to take their fabs away (yes, they paid them, not the opposite, they were so obsolete that it was basically a waste disposal operation)

was there some regulation preventing them from just shutting the plants down and selling off the real estate and equipment? severance payments too high?

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by piltdownman »

acdha wrote: post #108
gofastercloud wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last few years Chinese manufacturing has reached a very high-level. The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. While I reckon some other countries still have specialist manufacturing in key areas that surpasses China, most “common” parts can be…

> The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. I’m reminded of all the dismissals people made about the skill levels of Indian software developers when the explanation was that the more skilled ones knew they could do better than the MBAs were offering t…

Also because of the appalling track record of QA/QC, and subsequent cover-ups, at every level of government and enterprise from regional to national.

In the 2008 milk Scandal, for example, the offending company Sanlu were aware of infants becoming sick December 2007, but refused to test until June 2008. Shijiazhuang city governance failed to report the contamination to provincial and state authorities September 2008 and Sanlu subsequently asked the Shijiazhuang city government to assist them in controlling the media's reporting of the recall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

300,000 affected children were identified, among which 54,000 were hospitalized and 6 deaths were officially attributed to the adulteration and cover-up. If the government and industry were willing to collude to the detriment of their own populace so as not to sully the PR appeal of the Beijing Olympics, what level of care and consideration are we to attribute them in matters of low-consequence export to the West?

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by fragmede »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #236
King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

>I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. But do you actually have a frame of reference though? It's really easy to make stuff look good and then have it suck because someone in some other department nerfed it. I'm not saying they're bad but HN is not a community I trust to make such assessments.

Putting a slick plastic cover over the engine so it doesn't look grimy is easy. How do you fake it so it looks good to a CT scanner though?

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by toasty228 »

veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

> totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled.

No problem with building the same surveillance state at home though right? At least China's on the way up while the US is slowly declining on virtually every aspects.

American companies have been harvesting my data for 20 years, why wouldn't I give some to China? I interact with 0 chinese software in my day to day but dozens of american companies are harvesting and targeting me every single day since I started using internet.

The free market isn't fun when you're not the ones making all the money and dominating countries you determine to be inferior?

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by selcuka »

km3r wrote: post #198
joe_mamba wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

> And not just American but any outside company.

Would you call that "hostility to the West"? Sounds like an attempt to protect their own interests.

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