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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by ilamont »

quitspamming wrote: post #140

A former employer of mine, owned by a retired NFL player, purchased Surface devices for the sales staff in addition to their laptops. This was presumably because Microsoft and the NFL had a deal where everyone on the sidelines were using Surfaces and they thought it was a good idea. I say that because no one was asking for them, and when we received them I was inundated with tickets about poor performance: "my surfac…

> This was presumably because Microsoft and the NFL had a deal where everyone on the sidelines were using Surfaces and they thought it was a good idea.

Everyone except Bill Belichick, who famously hurled his Microsoft Surface to the ground when he was first forced to use it:

https://youtu.be/djB2xgALGfI?si=xX-hMibm9OLLAJZ4&t=10

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by shlewis »

bmitc wrote: post #173
shlewis wrote: post #37

I will never buy a Surface device ever again. I've been using an SL4 for the last four years with Linux on it, thanks to the surface-linux kernel. It's awful. It feels like it's actively refusing to work properly with Linux. Fair - it's not for Linux, and clearly that is expected with a Microsoft device. I've recently had to call their support for missing rubber feet. I figured I could get the replacement mailed(that…

Isn't that a little unfair? You'd have an even worse experience running Linux on a MacBook.

I had no problem with it not supporting Linux, like I said, it was expected and if anything, I'm to blame.

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Post by zitterbewegung »

altern8 wrote: post #243

I don't know if it's on purpose, but I've seen a few images and videos and I can't figure out what the laptop looks like. Why are all the pictures so dark? You can't see it!

I bet it will be something like a MacBook Pro but with a windows logo. I wouldn’t expect much different considering the other surfaces look practically the same including the keyboard . Not that that is a bad thing .

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Post by whh »

altern8 wrote: post #243

I don't know if it's on purpose, but I've seen a few images and videos and I can't figure out what the laptop looks like. Why are all the pictures so dark? You can't see it!

Car manufacturers did this but it was usually when the car was going to be a bit of a minger.

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Post by jlarocco »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #214

The biggest problem here is the operating system. If they could fix that, this might be enticing.

Agreed. I'm trying to buy a laptop right now (Lenovo's checkout refuses to take my card?!?), and I would try one of these if it could run Debian.

Will never buy one if it's Windows only, though.

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Post by thewebguyd »

criddell wrote: post #240
thewebguyd wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, its called prism, supposedly Microsoft is making improvements to it also specifically to go along with this release. It's not as good as Rosetta 2 was, but its still pretty good. Problem is not everything runs through emulation though. There's still a lot of edge cases for super old enterprise crap.

I kind of find it hard to believe they would use the name prism... When I read it, the first thing I thought of is the NSA program named PRISM. Anyway, I was curious so I googled for differences between the Apple and Microsoft programs and Apple included x86 translation circuitry on their CPU. I wonder why Microsoft didn't do the same?

Probably because MS wasn't involved in the silicon at all. The Snapdragon X Elite was entirely Qualcomm/Nuvia. Not sure why they skipped it though.

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Post by 10000truths »

anonymars wrote: post #200
RankingMember wrote: post #170

My experience with Surfaces and, particularly, the Surface Book and its accompanying dock were such that I'd have to be paid to use one again. For example, the dock would get its own updates silently and brick itself randomly and the proprietary magnetic connector between the dock and the computer was prone to a poor connection. I remember many occasions trying to work and my screens just randomly blinking in and out…

My absolute favorite fact about the Surface is that if the battery runs out, the Surface Dock power is unable to bootstrap it. You have to plug in a charger Not sure if that's still the case but truly astonishing https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/surface-dock/tro...

To be fair, my MacBook Pro had the same issue - if the battery was dead, charging via USB-C wouldn't work, it would need the MagSafe charger. Presumably because the USB controller needs power in order to negotiate power delivery.

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Post by whateverboat »

exmadscientist wrote: post #199
RankingMember wrote: post #170

My experience with Surfaces and, particularly, the Surface Book and its accompanying dock were such that I'd have to be paid to use one again. For example, the dock would get its own updates silently and brick itself randomly and the proprietary magnetic connector between the dock and the computer was prone to a poor connection. I remember many occasions trying to work and my screens just randomly blinking in and out…

I worked with some of the people responsible for the Surface Book, Surface docks, and specifically the Surface Book's dock. These were hardware people (EEs), not software people, and this was after their time at MS. Unfortunately I don't remember specifics (both because it's been a few years, and because I'd probably have to fuzz details anyway), but... : Docks are horrifying products. Thunderbolt docks are doubly ho…

> They ordered in every single competing dock they could find, from that era's products, and found that every last one was garbage in some way or other, usually fatally so.

It is so hard to believe that when more than 1000 employees at my employers are also using at least one dock (Dell and Thinkpad both) and using them very well.

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