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Post by Tepix »

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #89
Tepix wrote: post #79

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Are you serious? You did notice that there was even a EU digital sovereignty summit recently?

I didn’t notice. But regardless, a summit doesn't dictate or reflect the desires and opinions of 27 member states and its 450 million citizens and more importantly its companies and business to want to switch to European alternatives. To give you an example, if India or China or Africa holds a summit on climate change, it doesn’t mean that its citizens want that or even care about it. Anyway, the idea that such a big…

It would be foolish to continue to rely on them given a leader who has openly expressed his very negative views about Europe and who likes extorting countries.

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

davedx wrote: post #168
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #161

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For some of functionality, DigiD itself requires an iOS or Android app (for which you need to enter a contractual agreement with either Apple or Google and they decide whether you are allowed to install and use the app). I understand that this particular path doesn't allow them to access further sensitive data, but it does give these corporations the power to block any individual for accessing the DigiD app. You don'…

Which tasks? I use DigiD with SMS and I've never needed to install an app, I have healthcare etc etc.

Once specific task was linking an Apotheke to my healthcare provider. SMS was not allowed for this flow. I've seen other scenarios, but I don't recall them.

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Post by tgv »

madbo1 wrote: post #135

This is exactly why privacy by architecture matters more than privacy by policy. The Netherlands trusted a policy ("Solvinity can't access the data") but the architecture allowed it anyway. The only real solution is cryptographic sovereignty systems where even the vendor mathematically cannot access user data, regardless of what US law says. Not we promise we won't look but we literally cannot look. Building somethin…

That would still leave the system prone to hostage taking. The US government could disrupt the tax office, hospitals, courts, etc. with a single order.

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Post by k12sosse »

fsckboy wrote: post #188
DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #164

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> With the US law that the US government should be able to get access to any data held by a US company Er, what law is this, exactly?

it is not easy with a quick search to ascertain the subtleties of the CLOUD Act. the example case on wikipedia entails a US citizen storing data with Microsoft, a US company, data that Microsoft offshored from the US. So in that case, the US Courts and politicians seem on pretty firm ground to consider that data to be "obtainable" by court order; it wouldn't make sense for American vendors to to create a privacy "dou…

Yeah but outside US there has never been a lower trust in the US or their courts, so, we veto all new purchases to err on the side of sovereignty.

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Post by moi2388 »

krior wrote: post #119
mortarion wrote: post #23

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We're terrible at company and brand naming here in Europe. Just look at the "Wero" payment solution (formerly/currently iDeal). Like, who the hell came up with that stupid name? The list of stupid European company names and product names are endless.

Why do you feel that Wero is a stupid name?

Because iDeal hints at what it’s for.

What is a “wero”? Ask your parents or children what they think an “I deal” does and what a “wero” does.

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Post by hermanzegerman »

krzyk wrote: post #235
alphager wrote: post #200

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Nope. You have to possess a valid ID or passport, but you are not required to carry it. Keeping it at home is perfectly fine. Carrying it is practical and most Germans do carry their ID, but it's not a requirement.

Why carrying it is practical? What is it used for? The only time I need my ID is during elections, but I can also show the one I have in our government produced app. Older people in Poland do carry those, mostly out of some kind of habit and some kind of fear that police might need it. I can drive a car and get a speeding ticket, and all I need police to know is my ID number (it is not the identifier of my identity c…

Because if you speed and Police can't verify your identity they will take you to the station to verify it.

Same thing if they stop you for whatever reason and ask you for it.

Or your personalized public transport season ticket is only valid in combination with a government issued ID.

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