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Post by Keyframe »

Recursing wrote: post #228
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #210

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This is so obviously wrong I don't know how this theory got popular. OpenAI had everything from compute to brand name to contracts. Sam wasn't the reason the money was coming, employees and OpenAI were. Even if Sam bought them money, board could still tell the reason of firing Sam rather than keeping it a secret. And why did Ilya flip? He doesn't have much to gain by being in non profit when he could get more money e…

At the time gwern alleged it was because of Brockman's wife https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/181o1q4/co...

Wow, emotions and all. These people should never be anywhere near dangerous technology such as advanced AI. Luckily, neither of them seem to be anymore since openAI lost its leading (technical) edge to other companies.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

sumedh wrote: post #239
CuriouslyC wrote: post #211

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This is some late-stage capitalist cope. Money goes to the person who can hoodwink people into thinking their product will do something they care about, not the person with the product that actually does something people want. There are a litany of examples of people swearing up and down by products that have been scientifically proven to __DO NOTHING__. The correlation between popularity and quality is tenuous AT BE…

> Money goes to the person who can hoodwink people into thinking their product will do something they care about So Google, MS, FB, OpenAI could not "hoodwink" people?

MS is hoodwinking people all day long brother, just not in AI.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

throwaway_2494 wrote: post #34

I remember when computer magazines were aimed at programmers and had code listings in them. Then there seemed to come a time when all they talked about was the IBM vs. Microsoft lawsuit. From then on they must have felt that they had discovered a formula, because all they ever yapped about after was insider baseball of computer companies. I find this sort of corp. vs. corp. coverage boring, sort of like techie realit…

Pardon the almost 50 year old nostalgia, but I got so much out of manually typing in code from old BYTE Magazine and other articles.

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Post by sumeno »

tasuki wrote: post #213
sumeno wrote: post #144

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I do not want a billion dollars, there is no ethical way to get a billion dollars. If I accidentally had a billion dollars I would get rid of the billion dollars as quickly as possible. The op thinks that I, as well as most of the other responses to them, are liars

> there is no ethical way to get a billion dollars. I don't buy that at all. One ethical way is to marry someone random who later becomes a billionnaire. Another is to eg create Bitcoin. And I suspect there are ethical ways to create a business that earns a whole lot of money. What unethical things did Yvon Chouinard do to get his billions? Chuck Feeney? What about Mackenzie Scott (formerly Bezos)? Hansjörg Wyss? Cra…

Regardless of what else they did, they hoarded enough wealth to live hundreds of lifetime without ever wanting for anything while there are people on this planet who are starving, homeless, or can't afford basic medical care.

Being a billionaire itself is unethical. They are excessively greedy to the point of evil. If they weren't they would have stopped hoarding wealth hundreds of millions of dollars sooner.

If I had enough food to feed a hundred thousand people for the rest of their lives, more than anyone could ever eat in thousands of lifetimes, and I kept hoarding more and more food while people were starving you would ask what the fuck is wrong with me, there's no way I'll ever need all that food. I would rightly be called obsessive, greedy, and a sociopath. Add one layer of abstraction and we hold these monsters up as heroes.

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Post by mannanj »

bwhiting2356 wrote: post #208
mannanj wrote: post #197

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It can represent a few peoples interests, who aren't middle class, and eradicate the middle class. AI can fall flat in its affect and benefit for most people, while helping a few people. It can thusly be powerful for a few people, and not powerful enough for most people. (I feel we may see special models that most people will never access, while a few get those most powerful models). Did that answer your questions an…

The parent comment referred to AI as a bubble, and what you're describing I would not call a bubble.

You would not, and I would say what I am saying doesn't support nor deny a bubble's existence. I think that would be an error in thinking to conclude what I said supports bubbles.

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Post by tasuki »

sumeno wrote: post #244
tasuki wrote: post #213

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> there is no ethical way to get a billion dollars. I don't buy that at all. One ethical way is to marry someone random who later becomes a billionnaire. Another is to eg create Bitcoin. And I suspect there are ethical ways to create a business that earns a whole lot of money. What unethical things did Yvon Chouinard do to get his billions? Chuck Feeney? What about Mackenzie Scott (formerly Bezos)? Hansjörg Wyss? Cra…

Regardless of what else they did, they hoarded enough wealth to live hundreds of lifetime without ever wanting for anything while there are people on this planet who are starving, homeless, or can't afford basic medical care. Being a billionaire itself is unethical. They are excessively greedy to the point of evil. If they weren't they would have stopped hoarding wealth hundreds of millions of dollars sooner. If I ha…

- Yvon Chouinard said he "didn't drive Lexuses". Yes he was a billionnaire, but he lived a simple life, and his net worth was tied in the stock of the company. He has since given most of it away.

- Mackenzie Bezos gave away $26 billion, more than half of her net worth, in the past 6 years. I'm sure she'll continue.

It's not exactly easy to spend so much money _meaningfully_. "Giving it away" sounds simple, but really it's a lot of hard work.

You seem extremely attached to your point of view that all the billionnaires are bad people and that you're a good person. I have a negative visceral reaction to people who loudly proclaim their own moral superiority. I don't think all the billionnaires are that bad, and tbh I have trouble believing you're such good a person. How much have you given to charity?

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Post by tasuki »

watwut wrote: post #227
tasuki wrote: post #124

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> What about stealing 12 million books Who's missing the books? 12 million books is a rather large warehouse! I thought HN was in the "information wants to be free" camp...

Those books are not free for us, aren't they? This argument would meant one iota sense if the outcome was free information or free access to books. Instead, overall outcome is more centralization, formerly accessible resources of information hard to find and starved.

> Those books are not free for us, aren't they?

The library card is really cheap tho.

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Post by sumeno »

tasuki wrote: post #246
sumeno wrote: post #244

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Regardless of what else they did, they hoarded enough wealth to live hundreds of lifetime without ever wanting for anything while there are people on this planet who are starving, homeless, or can't afford basic medical care. Being a billionaire itself is unethical. They are excessively greedy to the point of evil. If they weren't they would have stopped hoarding wealth hundreds of millions of dollars sooner. If I ha…

- Yvon Chouinard said he "didn't drive Lexuses". Yes he was a billionnaire, but he lived a simple life, and his net worth was tied in the stock of the company. He has since given most of it away. - Mackenzie Bezos gave away $26 billion, more than half of her net worth, in the past 6 years. I'm sure she'll continue. It's not exactly easy to spend so much money _meaningfully_. "Giving it away" sounds simple, but really…

I haven't said anything about my own morality other than that I don't want a billion dollars.

If you really want to know, I give away more than 10% of my income every year to charity. In just the past decade I've given away about 20% of my net worth, and I'm not even close to set for life. That's more than all but a few billionaires will give away in their lifetimes, and I promise you that I need that 20% much more than any billionaire needs 90% of theirs. If I lose my job I'm fucked, if they never make another dollar they can live thousands of lifetimes without changing their standard of living in any meaningful way.

Does that make me a good person? No. It absolutely makes them bad people though.

Giving away money doesn't make you a good person, but hoarding it makes you a bad person.

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Post by temp8830 »

jcheng wrote: post #169
temp8830 wrote: post #107

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Even though the founders of OpenAI are not exactly someone you'd root for, comparisons to theft are silly. By that token it would be illegal to go into a library, read a book, and actually remember what was in it. Except in this case the reader is a robot. LLMs are such a fundamentally different thing that existing laws don't really make sense. Wait! Put the pitchfork down! I know, I know, stealing is stealing, and O…

I think you make a good point but the use of samples in hip hop doesn’t support it; those samples need to be licensed.

This is very much untrue, and the debate about exactly how much sampling constitutes fair use has gone one for many years and court cases.
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