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Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by pdonis » Sat, May 23, 2026, 3:46 AM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #205

pdonis wrote: post #181

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> I don't think the free market would have selected for the current cost vs safety balance on its own. Possibly not. Possibly in a free market people still would fly on an aircraft type that was known to have had two recent crashes that killed everyone on board. I wouldn't, but perhaps I'm an outlier. But if people would be willing to fly on such an aircraft in a free market (which means that the value of flying on i…

Some people are willing to be drive drunk. This doesn't mean that taking into account the views of people who don't want to be killed by drunk people when determining who gets to use the roads is "overestimating the value we actually put on human life" (also, without the safety reporting infrastructure and mandatory disclosures the average person would have absolutely no ability to learn whether the crashes said anyt…

> Some people are willing to be drive drunk.

In addition to all the other things I pointed out, there's a very simple and obvious difference between this and the airplane case: a person choosing to drive drunk imposes some risk on everyone else who uses the same road they do. But a person choosing to fly on an unsafe airplane imposes no risk on anyone but themselves; their choice doesn't force anyone else to fly on the same airplane.

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by hedora » Sat, May 23, 2026, 3:49 AM UTC

_kulang wrote: post #145

Danox wrote: post #73

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Unfortunately, we are seeing the decline of the USA. The rest of the world is going to move on without us.

I think we’ve seen the decline of the USA and have already moved on without them. Not everything important is US-centric and about AI and oil

The US is way behind on AI from a perf/dollar perspective and is rapidly driving the rest of the world off oil by disrupting supply chains.

I think we’ll see an even bigger economic reckoning in 2027-28, and then the pendulum will swing back. The Great Depression and Hoovervilles paved the way for the New Deal. Trump’s corruption and economic policies are likely going to be even more disastrous than that.

Hopefully we can pick up the pieces quickly and without the benefit of World Wars.

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Post by daveguy » Sat, May 23, 2026, 3:51 AM UTC

killerstorm wrote: post #146

Frost1x wrote: post #95

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Maybe money but clearly not power. The American voting population gave him more power than pretty much anyone in many senses of the word “power,” yet he’s clearly not loyal to the American voting population. So I think money or wealth is the bigger weight here.

The American voting population was manipulated to give him power. The ones which helped with manipulation are effectively in control. Or do you think all the wedge issues organically crystallized in voters' minds?..

Also accurate. There is an election coming up. First Tuesday in November. Has been since 1845. After a certain number of votes, it's difficult to deny otherwise. It doesn't have to be for or against anyone. Just needs to be a vote for a better United States of America.

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Post by mystraline » Sat, May 23, 2026, 4:21 AM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #18

BeetleB wrote: post #2

This could be understandable if some rationale was provided, but it's worse than that: > Neither agency has publicly issued new formal guidance describing these requirements. Instead, officials are informing grantees individually, leaving researchers confused and concerned. They've not even made it official. They're just randomly flagging.

This is a very common thing for corrupt governments. No rules are clear, so that those at the top can dictate whatever they want whenever they want. Which means that the only safe route is to always be on very very good terms with leadership. Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy. See also the way that grants are now being distributed at NCI and NSF. Only very large grants for many m…

> Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy.

We've been in this for much longer, but its been unevenly distributed.

I seem to remember a certain Biden saying to his billionaire donors "Nothing fundamental would change".

I remember Obama saying "Hope and Change", when it was 'keep gitmo open', drone strikes, and destroying 1fa via Wikileaks.

I remember Bush's "Mission Accomplished", and 25 more years of war in the sandbox. Of course, weapons manufs got bank.

Now the corruption is just more brazen. Its in everyonea faces now, and not kind of hidden. I dunno, being in the sunlight just shows how much a farce this shithole of a country is. And yeah, most is. Drive in any rural states or areas, and the poverty will hit you hard.

We're a 3rd world kleptocracy with liberal 1st world sploches in major cities.

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Post by lovich » Sat, May 23, 2026, 4:48 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #177

lovich wrote: post #112

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Just a quick note that Upton Sinclair's The Jungle is a novel, not a work of reporting.

Accurate. I was simplifying since the person I was responding to seemed historically ignorant when they were implying that people were able to safely acquire food in the past as well as post regulations.

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Post by JCTheDenthog » Sat, May 23, 2026, 4:49 AM UTC

lovich wrote: post #109

JCTheDenthog wrote: post #86

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>Bureaucrats who must follow the rule of law is what you want. Under Chevron we had the opposite of that: bureaucrats who had ridiculously wide latitude to make their own rules. What we actually need is for congress to take back control instead of passing all power and authority to the executive branch.

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What else have your psychic powers revealed to you about me?

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Post by mcdeltat » Sat, May 23, 2026, 5:04 AM UTC

h4kunamata wrote: post #206

Ahh the USA, always thinking they are the top in command and yet, its citizen cannot afford to get sick. President after President, it goes from bad to worse. A potato would know to never mess up with researches, the more you limit, the less access and knowledge you have access to.

They just know their constitutional rights as law abiding american citizens to die from easily preventable illness they can't afford treatment for!

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Sat, May 23, 2026, 5:06 AM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #148

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #131

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> Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy. This is what is so hard for me to handle, and it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Because no matter what happens, even if some things eventually get better, I feel like the US as I knew it is dead - there is simply no coming back from the fact that it's been laid bare how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would…

how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would sell out to completely destroy our Constitutional principles This is not something done to us by leadership. This is a democracy; we voted for this. We have another election coming up momentarily. We have the opportunity to put a stop to this. There's good reason to think that the election will not be entirely fair, but there are limits: if people a…

While I do agree this is an "us" problem, let's not pretend that the populace at large comes to their conclusions in a vacuum. Leadership is actually still a thing, even in a democracy, and I'm just dismayed at the utter spinelessness of so many in the leadership class, who are happy to indulge the masses in their fantasies and lies.

There was a recent video that made the rounds where judicial nominees were testifying in the Senate and they were all asked "Who won the 2020 election?" These people are not complete idiots - they know who won the election. They all gave the same bullshit "well, Biden was certified as the President elect" non-answer simply because they knew that if they told the truth they would face Trump's wrath. Profiles in Total Cowardice, every last one.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Sat, May 23, 2026, 5:16 AM UTC

petcat wrote: post #13

The article says that these restrictions on research with a "foreign component" have been in place since at least 2003 but have only recently been clarified to include the researchers themselves. It's actually more surprising to me that NIH and NASA research co-authored by non-Americans was supposedly not requiring scrutiny under the "foreign component" rules before this.

International collaboration is the norm in science.

Telling researchers that they have to get permission before they can co-author a paper with a foreign colleague is insane, unless we're talking about a very small set of highly sensitive areas like nuclear engineering.

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Post by Sparkyte » Sat, May 23, 2026, 5:27 AM UTC

hedora wrote: post #240

Sparkyte wrote: post #130

This is a reasonable take with possibilities of introducing ways to expedite the verification of researchers and contributors. Foreign or not. The problem with scientific papers is that there is an exploitive macro economy of how many one can publish without sold evidence or research attached to the paper itself.

So, you’re saying the solution to papers not being adequately peer reviewed (which is a strong claim that I disagree with) is to use political ideology tests to let the current administration arbitrarily decide who is allowed to publish?

I am actually not for the current administration. However having legal and regulatory standards on scientific papers is essential. I just wish it was established under a different administration so it could establish pathways to ensure international collaboration.