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Flipper One – we need your help

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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by modeless »

> the current state of ARM Linux is depressing. Every vendor bolts on their own custom mess: closed boot blobs, vendor-specific patches, "board support packages" that nobody outside the chip maker can really understand

Fixing this is a noble goal but won't sell a lot of devices by itself. And it will only fix the one specific hardware configuration used by Flipper. This seems to be the only interesting part of the project and the actual hardware is otherwise completely uninteresting. Not sure how they expect to succeed here.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by everforward »

kesor wrote: post #140

Instead of re-inventing Linux distributions for FlipperOS on top of Debian. They should just choose to base it on NixOS which already has these "profiles" as a built-in feature called "Specializations" https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Specialisation

I strongly disagree here. On the technical side, I'm sure it works, I almost never hear about Nix not working.

On the practical side, "learn Nix" is a _massive_ onboarding task. Without Nix, I'd probably pick one up assuming I'll find something to do with it. With Nix, I'd wait until I have a project I know is worth figuring out Nix.

If this were my project, I'd probably go with the absolute most simple answer: multiple SD card readers. Install the base OS on one card, allow hot-swapping the other card, do some mount point stuff with the other card (like maybe it auto-mounts to /usr/local, and have packages install into /usr/local). Or maybe some kind of overlayfs with the other card. SD cards are cheap, and I'd rather glue an SD card holder to the back of a Flipper than learn Nix.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by embedding-shape »

brookst wrote: post #84
embedding-shape wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't answer for the One, as I don't think even they themselves know what it'll end up being when done, but for the Zero, the biggest benefit have been the whole "one device = one large community = lots of firmware = lots of software" thing which gets a lot of benefits from one cohesive community around one device, I'm guessing the One would also get similar benefits with this. As a current Zero user, I'd definitivel…

Can you elaborate on how you use the zero? I got all excited, bought one, and it’s in a drawer. I’m way deep into coding, CNC machining, making of all sorts… but I just never incorporated it. What am I missing? What do you use yours for?

> Can you elaborate on how you use the zero?

Mostly around debugging and troubleshooting networking (WiFi+Zigbee network) at home, which the Zero is nice for this as it's easy to bring with me to any area in the house/yard and test stuff wherever. I used to use a laptop+radio for this, but I no longer have any laptops and the Zero does the trick nicely enough.

I also tend (try) to duplicate any keyfobs/cards I come across too, as backups, which helped me just the other day as we've lost the card we got for the municipal trash, so now I'm using the Zero to unlock them as we still haven't recovered that card.

Some months ago I used it for moving a bunch of AC+IR remotes to be connected to my Home Assistant installation by first reverse-engineering the IR protocol then building my own hardware for it with a little IR transmitter, now I can remotely control the old AC unit regardless of where I am in the house. I'm pretty sure it's a fairly standard protocol I didn't need to reverse-engineer myself, probably well documented on the internet already, but way more fun to do so yourself.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by theragra »

GJim wrote: post #176
ymolodtsov wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://gizmodo.com/the-company-behind-the-flipper-zero-hack... >> Flipper’s goal is to sell the device for around $350.

With that money going to Russia. Just sayin'. EDIT: The above is a perfectly factual statement about the Flipper. The downvotes are presumably coming from the pro-Russia bots and shills.

Flipper One founders live and operate from London, as is the company. Pavel Zhovner has (or had at least) Ukrainian citizenship.

Terrible to always see misinformation from people who don't even check basics.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by kesor »

everforward wrote: post #242
kesor wrote: post #140

Instead of re-inventing Linux distributions for FlipperOS on top of Debian. They should just choose to base it on NixOS which already has these "profiles" as a built-in feature called "Specializations" https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Specialisation

I strongly disagree here. On the technical side, I'm sure it works, I almost never hear about Nix not working. On the practical side, "learn Nix" is a _massive_ onboarding task. Without Nix, I'd probably pick one up assuming I'll find something to do with it. With Nix, I'd wait until I have a project I know is worth figuring out Nix. If this were my project, I'd probably go with the absolute most simple answer: multi…

It is just a Linux device. Other people will install NixOS on it anyway, and use specializations if the whole idea of swapping device roles in-and-out is viable. I don't really understand why would the team that already got a full plate decide to also invent a whole new Linux system while they're creating their hardware device.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by armchairhacker »

z2 wrote: post #219
nekzn wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, you’re right. On the other, it’s normal that humans want to gauge the authenticity of the things they interact with. Some sort of uncanny valley thing.

What happens when everyone learns they need to use something like https://tropes.fyi/tropes-md and emerge on the other side of the valley?

That’s fine. Most of the tropes, and the sameness, are themselves the problem.

https://xkcd.com/810/

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by tekla »

majorchord wrote: post #209
handwarmers wrote: post #200

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It's obviously subjective, but I have a feeling this community has descended into hardcore cynicism and cheap meta analysis of most article I care about. Maybe it's the times we live in. I barely spend much time in the comment sections nowadays - once I stopped visiting this website I started following a bunch of makers on youtube and printables, and got looped into some discord groups and meetups. It was a breath of…

Phoronix is so much worse... but in general I think it's mostly a problem with older tech "experts". They have developed a jaded, egotistical world view where only their own opinions can matter, and everyone else is wrong.

> They have developed a jaded, egotistical world view where only their own opinions can matter, and everyone else is wrong.

That describes HN

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by Sharparam »

cobolcomesback wrote: post #208
zhovner wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the author of this text. It was originaly writen in a mix of russian and english WITHOUT the AI and then polished and translated by editors. Here is the original draft https://blog.flipper.net/p/b5b7e9f8-a99f-4393-bf72-23fe5a42e...

Sorry but I call bullshit. There’s em-dashes all over, even in your original text. Were the editors or translators an AI? Did the editors use AI to “polish” it? The emojis used in the bullet points (which are missing from your original text, but were added in at some point) are also dead giveaways that AI was involved here.

The em dash "gotcha" is so fucking tiring at this point.

It is perfectly possible, and even easy, to write e[nm] dashes manually. With compose key sequences it's barely more effort than typing a normal dash/hyphen, even. (Just compose key + `-.` for en dash, and `--` for em dash.)

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by peter-m80 »

antirez wrote: post #236

This lacks the sharp idea the Zero had. I have the feeling that in order to do something different, and not an evolution, the result will be borderline useless: a portable ARM computer with Wifi / satellite connection / ... And, then? What I can do with it? The evolution that I could like is a Zero with more CPU power, SDR and LoRa. Then let's implement all the cool protocols that it is possible to implement.

That sounds amazing to me
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