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Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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I think a lot of us object to the opacity and scale of it all. These aren’t simply commercials running like OTA tv in the days of old. They are basically fracking our data and then selling it to other people without any oversight or ability to stop it. You are basically under assault from the moment you walk through the metaphorical door. Why does a host need my device info, my demographics, every app I’m on, my rout…

No, my actual framing is that people don't want to pay for what they use, and ad-block created this generational illusion that you can have things of value made by others for free, and it's a good thing. The system would topple rapidly if people went back to paying directly. But there is a huge caveat. The ad internet created a classless egalitarian internet where everyone can pay with attention, rather than money. A…

I don’t know why you’re reducing our options to so few. There are so many ways for people to make a living creating beyond advertising. It’s not even a capitalism thing, this is such a narrow American mindset, especially the idea that everyone objecting to the current state of “advertising” (data fracking and selling) is just entitled.

Also a lot of people are very happy creating things without consistent/“making a living” (or any!) compensation, but they are often exploited by large corporations that want a free ride - or worse, use them as a building block and then find ways to wall them out as they take advantage of people who would otherwise use their tool. See: the FOSS community. Where would we be without VLC?

An example I always use is the Indie rock boom in Canada in the 2000’s, which bled into the US in a very concrete way . A lot of that was actually possible because of the Canadian government funding the arts.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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We are significantly more than that at this point, including that we've been working on our own web index for the past two years (see https://insideduckduckgo.substack.com/p/duck-tales-why-duckd... ). But on top of that we don't get local results, knowledge graph, answers, sports, anything AI related, and many more essential modules from Bing, all of which collectively makes up a large % of the results at this point,…

I stopped using DDG because whenever I search for information on a topic like "plumber's bread" all I get are the same 1500 sites serving the same top-10 lists of the same Amazon Affiliate links. Kagi neatly avoids all of that and serves me the dumb forum articles from 2006 that I'm looking for that describe what plumbers actually do when they want to stop up a wet pipe. This is a problem with nearly every ad-support…

https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=plumber%E2%80%99s+bread&addo...

afaik Ecosia is a blend of Google and Bing now while they work on their own engine

How does this compare?

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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> PCW is part of the EP network of international wikis that includes bulbapedia. A lot of our content is translated from it (with permission) and is the work of thousands of human volunteers.

Oh there we go. Google's internal AI marked it as "can be 99% derived from an English source" and stopped crawling it, preferring to synthesize translated Italian responses as needed.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

I found that if I search Google Maps for a specific restaurant, it assumes I must just be hungry in general. Just now, I looked for A&W and also got results for Tim Hortons, Popeyes and McDonald's. Apple Maps never does that. Still, I usually use Google as I want an accurate idea of whether a business is actually open and what its hours are.

My experience with Google Maps is very different. We got burned so many times going to a closed restaurant that was open according to Google that we just use the listing to find the phone number now, and we call ahead

I know it’s probably not Google’s fault. The owner needs to update their listing, but it’s just one more little thing adding up over the years to make me avoid Google altogether

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Can someone start a new Google, please? Just search, nothing more. I'm willing to pay 10 USD a month for that. API access included.

DuckDuckGo gives you enough control in its settings to completely filter out AI-anything in search results. I like to think it is near classic Google's levels in search result quality even though it probably isn't.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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On air reads. Lift a finger for your ads. When I spent more time producing podcasts I categorically rejected (and discouraged my clients from doing) injected ads by 3rd parties. They scream “idgaf” and actual on air reads convert better anyway by huge margins in comparison. Ublock origin et al can’t block those so there’s your solution. Don’t lazily monetize your content.

The actual answer is to move everything to an app and kill your API, so you control everything in a locked down environment. This is a much bigger issue than just podcasts. It's every form of binary encoded data.

What? We are so far off base I don’t even know how to respond here.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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post #207

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Do you understand the difference between a user compensating someone directly vs an ad agency or platform doing so? Or do you think users actually think 'i don't want this creator to be compensated so I'll use an ad blocker'? Let me know which part is so confusing/complicated for you.

>Do you understand the difference between a user compensating someone directly vs an ad agency or platform doing so? No, I don't. From a business perspective its all the same revenue line item. However it does determine who I am working for. >Or do you think users actually think 'i don't want this creator to be compensated so I'll use an ad blocker'? I don't think they are thinking at all, besides "Wow this is cool I…

When you upload your content to the internet to be freely viewable/downloadable by anyone - you are giving it away for free. Also realistically small artists/creators (which are the vast majority) are not making any real money from ads - it's the platforms and advertisers who are actually making most of the money and promoting the anti-ad blocker propaganda, as I'm sure you're aware.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Worse, they often aren't even relevant: we searched "passport renewal" and you had to go the the second page to even get the government site that renews passports, and not ad scams masquerading as the real thing. Optimized for engagement, presumably. Edit: come to think of it, I don't know why I still use Google. I don't care if they track me. But when they have been actively try to prevent me from finding the inform…

> Edit: come to think of it, I don't know why I still use Google. A guess: because you type queries in the URL bar, and they're the default search engine in your web browser? (I'm convinced that these days, this is 90% of Google's advantage) Image search is so hyper-optimised for shopping it's useless.

A good guess for any phone or tablet user, but I’m technical enough to change that default. It was because their results used to be objectively better. It’s also not the default on Windows Edge, and I still remember the experiences just after reinstalling a Windows VM that I’d be confused why search results were suddenly so unreliable until I remembered I was getting bing by default.

Small update: two thirds of my device browsers no longer default to google anymore. I’ll change the rest when relevant.

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