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Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by lovich »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #240
lovich wrote: post #239

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Jesus Christ dude. This is HN. Steelman or something.

Can you steel man these two statements for me in relationship to each other?

> It makes celebrating their murders and assassinations just like so much easier to cheer for!! (Yeah, it’s a problem, but they can’t see it)

> Mueller wasn’t some hero and I don’t need to like things Trump does in order to realize that the American left is running a dehumanizing campaign of their own eventual destruction. Nice WHATABOUT though?

Sometimes people are just hypocritical, lying, or bad faith. I don’t have to accept that everyone is here in good interest when they are obviously as partisan as I am

Edit: also brah, lmao. This was in your bio

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You’ve got a secret TOS that you claim we are bound to by responding to you without seeing said TOS. You’re also a piece of shit here in bad faith

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Post by DonHopkins »

joe_mamba wrote: post #210
DonHopkins wrote: post #143

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MOST games lose huge amounts of money, and the "many" games you -- without a shred of evidence -- claim DEI caused to lose hundreds of millions are overwhelmingly offset by one single game, The Sims, earning the studio many billions of dollars, continuing to this day. And which itself inspired and gave permission and financial justification for many other inclusive games, indie to AAA, by proving there was a huge fem…

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Re: Pope Leo XIV’s first encyclical Magnifica humanitas to be published May 25

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Post by DonHopkins »

joe_mamba wrote: post #224
krige wrote: post #167

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Ah yes, the total failure of checks notes 5 million copies of Slay the Spire 2 sold. Let it go. It's not healthy. Witch hunts like this are not helping anyone with anything, other than influencer grifters.

>Ah yes, the total failure of checks notes 5 million copies of Slay the Spire 2 sold. You forgot these gems: +-----------------------+------+--------------------+---------------------+ | Game / Publication | Year | Estimated Loss | Layoffs / Fallout | +-----------------------+------+--------------------+---------------------+ | Concord | 2024 | ~$400,000,000 | Studio Closed | | Suicide Squad: KTJL | 2024 | ~$200,000,…

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Post by graemep »

analog31 wrote: post #220
graemep wrote: post #219

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It depends on what you mean by a religious society. Do you mean theocracies ? Democracies with a religious electorate? Countries with an established religion?

Yes. ;-) Granted there are only so many countries, so it would be hard to see a clear statistical picture. And it's complicated by the fact that religion may be secondary to democracy as a predictor of well-being. But I don't know of a country right now (or a region in the US) where the influence of religion on governance is a cause for optimism about the future of democracy.

I can think of one quite easily! I am in the UK where the influence of religion on politics is very much positive IMO. For example, we have an established church that often speaks up for the poor, against war, etc. Religion is in the forefront of practical action: it is a disgrace we need good banks, but the religious took the lead in filling that need (I see the same around the world too).

Also, historically we would not have democracy as we know it without the moral framework of religious ideas. I am guessing you are American and the idea of separation of church and state can be traced back to a long line of development that started with "give to Caesar what is Caesar's". Even in the UK, despite the efforts of Henry VIII, state control of the church faded and we are a de facto secular democracy.

Yes, my examples and arguments are all Christian, but different religions have different values and histories so you cannot generalise across all of them and I am sticking to what I know. I also think taking a long term historical view makes it look a lot more positive. Have you read Dominion by Tom Holland?

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Post by latexr »

pcooper wrote: post #228
latexr wrote: post #140

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> I feel AI and robotics are very important for progressing humanity Why? And what does “progressing” mean, exactly? I’m not trying to be combative or flippant, I’m genuinely asking because the rest of your comment is a great argument for the opposite view. I’d argue humanity will “progress” when we collectively learn to treat each other and our environment with respect and care. When we have a sense of community wit…

“Progress” can be of the Steven Pinker kind, where the long term trend of things like infant mortality, deaths from violence, etc. are going in a direction that most people would agree is good. > Technological advance could be a boon for humanity if those were our shared values, but as it stands it seems pretty obvious that what it does instead is consolidate power in the hands of those who should never have it. Why…

> “Progress” can be of the Steven Pinker kind, where the long term trend of things like infant mortality, deaths from violence, etc. are going in a direction that most people would agree is good.

Are AI and robotics “important” for that, though? I’m not convinced they are, or that their detriments are worth it. E.g. maybe a fleet of robot police could reduce deaths from violence, but it would also certainly be used for citizen control.

Caring for our fellow humans as a community and thus sharing resources and knowledge appropriately would be much more beneficial.

Additionally, it’s not like Pinker’s argument is without (a lot) of criticism. It doesn’t seem like a good basis for this conversation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Natur...

The rise of the alt-right and the current state of the USA and the division it is causing worldwide does not bode well for the argument that the world is progressing in a desired direction.

> Why can’t it be both?

Because you can’t have shared values of community and care for your fellow humans and the environment when the ones with the concentrated power gain it and keep by doing the exact opposite.

> I’m optimistic that AI and robotics will produce innovations that will benefit all of humanity, even if the financial gains are concentrated among the few.

I said “power”, not “money”. They are related but not the same. AI and robotics bring new capabilities for despots to surveil, control, and kill. It is naive to believe these will benefit all of humanity. They clearly won’t. Recent history is ample proof of that.

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Post by AlanYx »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #193
AlanYx wrote: post #186

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>he claims that the concept of "soul" is something that the wasn't really present in the Jewish worldview of Jesus' time That's a broadly accepted take among religious historians, although it's off by a half century, roughly, if you include the Jewish diaspora. Philo of Alexandria did begin to integrate Jewish scripture with Greek philosophy on the soul during his lifetime.

Interesting. Thanks! > although it's off by a half century, roughly, if you include the Jewish diaspora. Mind expanding on this part?

Most of the soul ideas that eventually made their way into Judaism (and many years later becoming heavily influential in sects like the one founded by Baal Shem Tov) originally came from diaspora Hellenic Jews who were familiar with Platonism. There was about a half century+ lag before these ideas diffused. That is, they existed but were not yet mainstream.

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Post by ImJamal »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #208
grebc wrote: post #33

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When it’s necessary for the pope to tell the orange one to calm down about wiping out a civilisation, you know things are bad.

Are you talking about the 40 years of 'death to America, death to Israel' calls from the Islamic Republican of Iran? The same regime that bragged 'we defeated/destroyed Persian culture/civilization' when they took over Iran?

Iran probably doesn't have the means to wipe America and Israel off the map while the inverse is not true.

Somebody threatening to do something they are capable of is obviously quite different than somebody threatening something they cannot do.

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DonHopkins wrote: post #243
joe_mamba wrote: post #224

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>Ah yes, the total failure of checks notes 5 million copies of Slay the Spire 2 sold. You forgot these gems: +-----------------------+------+--------------------+---------------------+ | Game / Publication | Year | Estimated Loss | Layoffs / Fallout | +-----------------------+------+--------------------+---------------------+ | Concord | 2024 | ~$400,000,000 | Studio Closed | | Suicide Squad: KTJL | 2024 | ~$200,000,…

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Post by ImJamal »

mrandish wrote: post #58
sneak wrote: post #2

Who is this for? Is this to promote AI to the general Catholic public, or is it some kind of cultural signal to potential conservative institutional customers that Anthropic isn’t just a stereotypical bunch of godless California hippies? Normally when I see these sorts of things it’s obvious what it is for and why, but this one confuses me.

> Who is this for? For the shrinking Catholic church it's trying to regain relevance. For Anthropic it's PR.

The Catholic Church is growing not shrinking?

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Post by ImJamal »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #55
erelong wrote: post #48

My expectations for the "encyclical": some kind of take on AI that poses as "conservative" while pushing views strongly opposed to Catholicism.

I did rather enjoy New Pope talking the horrors of deportations and walls… considering the Vatican has ultra-strict immigration and walls.

Neither Francis nor Leo (not sure which you mean by New Pope) have stated deportations or restrictions on immigration are wrong. Unfortunately, they are often taken out of context or do not provide clear statements which leads to confusion like you are experiencing.
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