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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by sunrunner »

bearjaws wrote: post #170
bradley13 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

> It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. That still seems like a simple CRUD app.

Steady on, I'd say it's at least a fancy CRUD app.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by basisword »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #164
stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

So LLMs are the 3d printers of software. Great for niche use-cases without enough market demand for a proper solution, and generally scale very poorly vs proper industrial processes.

The big difference from 3D printers is that there is zero upfront investment required. The number of non-technical people I've seen making simple tools/scripts to automate bits of their workflow is astonishing. Costs them nothing to at least try it out.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by j_w »

The blog post is weird. It feels like shadowboxing.

"Where are the vibecoded X app replacements?" questions aren't asking that question, they are making the argument that the author is. Software is immensely complicated and "vibecoding" is not going to build products.

You could reword the original question as: "If LLM coding is so fantastic and game changing, why are major products which are hugely profitable not battling with other companies which are producing competitors? Why would OpenAI/Anthropic sell the LLM access itself, instead of hoarding all the compute they can and become mega conglomerates in a takeover of all software?"

The author argues that software is way more complex than some prompt can describe, and that's what the original question also states. Level 1/2/3 BS nothing - coding was never and will never be the hard part.

I don't particularly like phrasing the argument I described as "where are the vibecoded X?" but instead as "Why are there so many issues still with major products? Why does Windows still have so many issues? Why is performance still absolutely shit on nearly every application?" The answers to these are not solved by more code, but by actual engineering, which LLMs don't provide. But the LLM dealers will try their best to convince you that they do provide on this level.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by famouswaffles »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #198
augment_me wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the point of the comment you are answering is that the market you are talking about has taken on a different form. The difference is that normally, people would perhaps pay a company to buy a PS license, or pay a professional to edit their images, however now this market segment will just use VLMs to edit the image to what they need.

What is "VLM"?

Vision Language Models

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

basisword wrote: post #242
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So LLMs are the 3d printers of software. Great for niche use-cases without enough market demand for a proper solution, and generally scale very poorly vs proper industrial processes.

The big difference from 3D printers is that there is zero upfront investment required. The number of non-technical people I've seen making simple tools/scripts to automate bits of their workflow is astonishing. Costs them nothing to at least try it out.

> The number of non-technical people I've seen making simple tools/scripts to automate bits of their workflow is astonishing.

The overwhelming majority of the population doesn’t even know what a tool or script is. Of the remaining who do, I would not be shocked that they’re capable of asking an LLM to produce one for them.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by jadar »

This doesn’t seem serious. “Two years of access” when the models and harnesses just got good last November. It also requires people to want to spend the time and tokens to build something for which we already have free alternatives (which are good!) like the GIMP. People are building projects that are important and unique to them, not hypothetical complex software for the fun of it.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by Aeolun »

j_w wrote: post #243

The blog post is weird. It feels like shadowboxing. "Where are the vibecoded X app replacements?" questions aren't asking that question, they are making the argument that the author is. Software is immensely complicated and "vibecoding" is not going to build products. You could reword the original question as: "If LLM coding is so fantastic and game changing, why are major products which are hugely profitable not bat…

> Why would OpenAI/Anthropic sell the LLM access itself, instead of hoarding all the compute they can and become mega conglomerates in a takeover of all software?

Because selling shovels is a guaranteed way to earn you money, unlike digging for gold.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by moregrist »

poszlem wrote: post #205
eooekwe wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much of this could be done with a spreadsheet. Not exactly revolutionary in the way you’re claiming.

Half of the current startups could be done with a speadsheet and yet they earn money.

The number of businesses and business departments that run on spreadsheets and earn money is almost mind-boggling.

It works until it doesn’t. The failure mode can be that the spreadsheet wizard leaves and no one understands their macros, the data grows 10x and emailing spreadsheets back and forth becomes too error prone, or any other of the well-known ways that this falls apart.

Those of us in software always cringe and want to use a database.

“Vibe-coded apps are the new spreadsheet.” Seems about right, and the problems will be similar.

Edit: This comes across as more negative than I wanted. I think spreadsheet-driven businesses are pretty amazing, and it's a testament to the tool how far they can get. I pretty much feel that way about bespoke vibe-coded apps. I'd feel even better about it if the rhetoric wasn't mixed in with claiming software as a career is over or that no one will have jobs anymore.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by stared »

Speaking of vibecoding photo edition, I dream of an extensible, open-source photo manager and editor. Think: VSCode for images.

So that it would be easily to add functionalities with plugins - for file reading, oganization, edit, and everything.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by phendrenad2 »

Adobe will lay off most of its workforce and lower the price of photoshop. Bold prediction, I know. But when it happens, it'll be because they are threatened by a thousand "vibe-coded" photoshops that do the one thing people need in the moment (the "slop" the author mentions).
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