Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

avkcode.github.io

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

241–250 of 718 posts

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#241

Post by andriy_koval »

layer8 wrote: post #235
andriy_koval wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

term predates that right-wing propaganda

Nevertheless the parent is correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state#United_States

Your link refers to lots of different contexts,cherry picking one of them which you failed to cite to win your nit-picking argument is not productive, because it is just not agreeable.

Also, your link specifically starts with:

""a hybrid association of government elements and parts of top-level industry and finance that is effectively able to govern the United States without reference to the consent of the governed as expressed through the formal political process."

which exactly how this was defined by your opponent.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#242

Post by enaaem »

nodja wrote: post #48

No, the US is _leading_ the AI race, but the race isn't over. What's the point of leading the race for 90% of it, if they're gonna slip on their own sweat and fall down by the end? In non metaphorical terms, what's the point of spending billions of dollars rushing to get the best AI tech at all costs, when the competition can distil your progress and catch up in 6-12 months while only spending 1% of what you spent. E…

Leading the race makes sense if it's a winner takes all market. AI cannot be a winner takes all market, because of national security reasons.

I would also argue that as AI gets better it will also be more fungible. It will be valuable like electricity. Lots of companies make good money producing electricity, but not the kind of money current investors are hoping for.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#245

Post by DiscourseFan »

MostlyStable wrote: post #227
RealityVoid wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are _miles_ behind successful embodied AI. The demos are cool but the success rates are not high enough. You can tell we're on the cusp when level 5 self driving cars are common an you have multiple companies deploying them on the street. Google is doing great work but the poured TONS of effort into it and the thing still needs intense stacks of perception and processing. Much more than I've seen any humanoids pou…

I'm really curious how quickly we would have huge numbers of L5 SDV if we societally accepted ~equal rates of injury and death, both of passengers and pedestrians. I want to be very clear, I'm not advocating for this (and even if I was, I haven't the faintest idea how one would go about getting society more broadly to go along), but part of me thinks that the primary hold up isn't actually capacity but instead standa…

Will we all be more or less flesh and bot in the future? Robocop style

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#246

Post by kennyloginz »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #103
lorecore wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who happens to have been born in the US and currently lives here, I welcome China winning. I trust them infinitely more than I trust my own government and industry. OpenAI and Anthropic are beholden to the capitalist system they exist under and hence cannot compete on local models. Like you say, they must try to maximize shareholder value. China is unencumbered by that constraint.

You are free to hate capitalism (even if you benefit from it enormously). You are free to say that you hate capitalism and the U.S. as openly and as often as you like, without facing imprisonment or worse. But if you were in China, could you say you hate the Chinese Communist Party and China openly and as often as you like without imprisonment or worse? We know the answer to that. So go ahead and trust China more tha…

You can probably say 864#

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#247

Post by watwut »

MostlyStable wrote: post #227
RealityVoid wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are _miles_ behind successful embodied AI. The demos are cool but the success rates are not high enough. You can tell we're on the cusp when level 5 self driving cars are common an you have multiple companies deploying them on the street. Google is doing great work but the poured TONS of effort into it and the thing still needs intense stacks of perception and processing. Much more than I've seen any humanoids pou…

I'm really curious how quickly we would have huge numbers of L5 SDV if we societally accepted ~equal rates of injury and death, both of passengers and pedestrians. I want to be very clear, I'm not advocating for this (and even if I was, I haven't the faintest idea how one would go about getting society more broadly to go along), but part of me thinks that the primary hold up isn't actually capacity but instead standa…

Standards are not higher for self driving cars. Musk lied a lit about capability and safety of self driving, creating impression that it is safer then humans driving.

So far, they are not.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#249

Post by kennyloginz »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #140
mghackerlady wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Chinas free speech, while abysmal, is better than you're making it out to be. They only really care if they see you as a threat, which realistically isn't too far off from the US both currently and historically

I understand that there is some freedom of speech in China, but I don't think the implication is that US and China are functionally equivalent. In the U.S. you can criticize the president all day every day and have millions of followers. Could you do that in China? The more people listen to you, the more dissident opinions become a threat.

Can Comey?

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

#250

Post by [deleted] »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #131
Galanwe wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean "dominated"? How would your life change if your country became the second wealthiest instead of the first? This is a ranking and competition no other country in the world gives ... about.

What would the world be like if China led? Whatever Xi wanted it to be like. I do not want a non-democratic, dictatorial power leading the world. You might think that most of the world does not care, and maybe they don't right now. But this is, I suspect, due to the relative benevolence of historical U.S. policy of international law and order. New boss same as the old boss is a motto that is only as informative as th…

[deleted]
Post reply on HN