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Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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I once updated my Epson, and it started rejecting aftermarket ink. Fortunately there is a way to downgrade the firmware. Never buying a cartridge based inkjet printer again.

If you don't care about ink quality, then aftermarket ink is fine. However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun, or being able to read what you have printed after some time, getting the genuine ink is the way. People think ink is simple. It is not . Anybody thinking otherwise, some points of pondering: - Why Xerox and HP run their own toner/ink labs to formulate their own ink down to molecule le…

That does not mean I cannot use the ink I want in a tool that I own.

Yes, your ink might be better. Market it that way and make it known. No problem with that. But prevent me from using my tool using DRM and firmware updates? That is customer hostile.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

I always put printers (2d and 3d) behind a firewall so they cannot reach the internet. This prevents auto-updates and surprises like disappearing functionality.

In the case of Bambu you'd want to do this to prevent surprises like your printer from randomly starting to print due to a "cloud error".

https://www.techradar.com/pro/did-your-3d-printer-start-prin...

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't care about ink quality, then aftermarket ink is fine. However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun, or being able to read what you have printed after some time, getting the genuine ink is the way. People think ink is simple. It is not . Anybody thinking otherwise, some points of pondering: - Why Xerox and HP run their own toner/ink labs to formulate their own ink down to molecule le…

> then aftermarket ink is fine Then why don't they allow it, perhaps with warnings? They don't block after market ink because of quality concerns, though they might claim so, they block it because they want to make more money from you themselves through ink sales. The common response here is “but they make a loss on selling the hardware!”, to which my response is “their bad pricing decision is not my problem”.

I agree that "making loss on the hardware and using ink to offset that" is a very bad business decision. I have an 10+ year old HP Deskjet 4515 Ink Advantage which had a high initial price but cheap refills (black ink is pigment, but color cartridge is dye, but is UV resistant if printed on good photo paper), and that thing never created any problems for me hardware or software wise.

I can still use any print I got from it even after a decade. Ink's that stable on these.

From my perspective, 3rd party ink or toner is a support nightmare, esp. if it's bottom of the barrel. Again, from my perspective you should be able to take the responsibility and use these if you really want, but any ink or toner related damage might be out of warranty then (HP's genuine cartridges come with their own guarantees).

So, I can speculate that makers both offset the price and don't want to handle support tickets related to 3rd party ink damage for lower end devices, and buyers of higher end models are either using 1st party ink, or fine with paying the repair costs if their 3rd party installations go haywire.

Also, it's possible that kits for higher end inkjet systems (large format/plotter systems) tend to be higher quality since these models cater to professional shops which needs high quality supplies.

Lastly, I talked with someone who said that they buy the cheapest paper and cheapest ink because the printouts are disposable for them, and I find that point entirely fair, too.

My main point was underlining the fact that ink is not something simple in formulation. I don't defend banning 3rd party ink, but just pointing out some facts. I believe everybody can carry out their own fafo procedure.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't care about ink quality, then aftermarket ink is fine. However, if you want your pictures to last 10+ years under the sun, or being able to read what you have printed after some time, getting the genuine ink is the way. People think ink is simple. It is not . Anybody thinking otherwise, some points of pondering: - Why Xerox and HP run their own toner/ink labs to formulate their own ink down to molecule le…

That does not mean I cannot use the ink I want in a tool that I own. Yes, your ink might be better. Market it that way and make it known. No problem with that. But prevent me from using my tool using DRM and firmware updates? That is customer hostile.

We don't disagree. See my longer comment above.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Reminder about the way Ubiquiti does this, as a vendor who wanted to provide users remote access to their own devices behind NAT: Unifi Cloud handles the auth and connection brokerage through a public portal, but you’re then connected straight to your own gear using your web browser (or one of the apps, if you choose). I can even turn all this off if I want to handle the remote access side of it myself. Other vendors…

Ubiquiti really should be the model for every company selling hardware today.

Their business model is a straightforward "sell a good product at a reasonable price" approach, and they seem to be quite successful at it without needing to resort to gimmickry, subscription fees, or other even less savory ways of monetizing other people's activities.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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Yes, and aside from being able to send and monitor your prints from their mobile app (and there are third party implementation of a similar app), you really don't lose much by using LAN Mode, especially if you pair it with Tailscale.

The mobile app is quite nice. Print error and print finish notifications. Webcam view when I’m not near my printer. The ability to pause it remotely if something looks off. I use LAN mode, plus a home assistant plugin to restore the lost functionality. The default webcam is pretty bad so I’ve also mounted a better one to my printer for a live video view that’s at more than 1fps. The main thing I’ve lost by using lan…

On iOS at least, there's a third-party alternative mobile app for LAN Mode here:

https://forum.bambulab.com/t/bambu-companion-for-iphone-no-c...

Tailscale makes remote access pretty for easy for this and other related apps.

I'm unaware of an Android version, but since it's mostly MQTT, FTP, and RTSP, I assume that's just a good vibe coding session to implement.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

> if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It could be argued that it is not theft by various devious uses of legalise¹. Personally I'd go with calling it, at best, deceptive sales practices (on the assumption that they knew they'd be moving this way long before they did), or possibly outright fraud if I'm in a less gen…

The fact that theft is legal does not change the fact that it is theft. Crime is legal. That should not stop us from calling it out as crime.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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post #208

It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

Is this the reverse "you wouldn't download a car"?

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Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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It's maddening that quite a few people are jumping to defend Bambu here. Principally if you sell a device with a certain functionality and you later modify that device later to remove that functionality that is called theft. It does not matter the slightest bit whether you break into someone's house to physically alter the device or whether you remotely install a malicious software update to do that. But what's even…

There's a class of person who's so fundamentally incapable of ignoring authority figures that they'll defend even the most pathetic positions possible.

Re: Restore full BambuNetwork support for Bambu Lab printers

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This looks to be a clone of the prior state of the repository that caused all the Bambu drama earlier this week. I did a ton of research because I didn't understand what people wanted here, and this is what's going on: Right now, Bambu have adjusted their system into two modalities: * "default" or "Cloud" mode, where you get an app, remote monitoring, but you have to use Bambu Studio or Bambu Connect to send prints.…

> This isn't actually possible Bambu absolutely could create a system where their printers both communicate with the cloud and local devices, they just don't want to do the difficult software engineering necessary because it is difficult. This is not theoretical either; I work on production devices with hybrid cloud and local functionality. Engineering around a zero-trust threat model (as in you assume the user can a…

This is fair and I should have been more clear that I meant “possible under their current self-imposed constraints;” of course it’s all software so anything is possible (for the record, I also agree that this is a much harder problem than people are giving it credit for).
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