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Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by bitexploder »

le-mark wrote: post #211
athrowaway3z wrote: post #119

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I actually think there is a second level to this. Yes HTML will get you most anywhere, but I found that letting the LLM define its own language is also unreasonably effective. Currently working on a dumb little mobile game with isometric view and sound: - told codex to write a tool that lets its place blocks in a prepared three.js document and have chromium dev tools take a screenshot. It made up a little JSON struct…

This sounds very intriguing have you written more about it anywhere we can read?

They can map things like this. They are amazing translation layers. As long as it is a shape of problem or data they are trained on they can translate. The DSL they made up is shaped like some other data format they know for that latent space. It seems amazing, and it is, but it is also a core feature of how LLMs work. The problem is it works until it doesn’t. Fuzzy can only get you so far before it decoheres without rigor.

Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by embedding-shape »

austin-cheney wrote: post #240
embedding-shape wrote: post #185

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Yes, it's literally about being able to use HTML effectively and knowing what you are doing, then you know HTML. I'm not sure why you bring up some arbitrary accessibility guidelines, that has no bearing if someone is using HTML correctly and neither would I gatekeep the "frontend" label on some arbitrary "must pass this particular standard", never heard something so outlandish when it comes to who could call themsel…

I suspect this unintentionally satisfies my conclusion.

Only if you're willfully ignorant of the wider discussion.

Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by antonvs »

F7F7F7 wrote: post #123
laurels-marts wrote: post #63

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You have been authoring HTML by hand for decades. Not every SWE is a FE dev.

I learned HTML 20+ years ago in high school. I did not go to a front end high school.

Your high school taught you a front-end markup format. I'm sure it seemed like a good idea to someone at the time.

Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by ar_turnbull »

tmhrtly wrote: post #21

My concern here is that by gravitating to HTML you lose the ability for a human (you!) to easily co-author the document with the LLM. If it’s just an explainer for your consumption, that’s not a concern - but if it’s a spec sheet for something more complex, I deeply value being able to dive in and edit what is produced for me. With a HTML doc it is much harder to do that than with MD. Now of course you could just rep…

If it’s a collaborative doc, you could make a pretty quick WYSISWYG or markdown editor for inline editing.

I’ve done something similar with Figma-like commenting and find myself pulling it into all kinds of personal projects.

Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by emodendroket »

I realize Claude Code is pretty impressive in a lot of ways -- certainly the way I'm working looks really different than it did last year -- but I think it is kind of funny that we are rediscovering basic ideas like "HTML is capable of richer display than Markdown."

Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by emodendroket »

tmhrtly wrote: post #21

My concern here is that by gravitating to HTML you lose the ability for a human (you!) to easily co-author the document with the LLM. If it’s just an explainer for your consumption, that’s not a concern - but if it’s a spec sheet for something more complex, I deeply value being able to dive in and edit what is produced for me. With a HTML doc it is much harder to do that than with MD. Now of course you could just rep…

Time was everyone took pride in writing HTML in Notepad.

Re: Using Claude Code: The unreasonable effectiveness of HTML

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Post by chickensong »

elkoan wrote: post #84
chickensong wrote: post #77

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Not sure how you use CC, but the last 6 months has felt like significant optimization efforts to me. Last year Claude would just read and edit files, now it's all kinds of basic tool gymnastics with grep/awk/sed/etc to narrowly slice and avoid token-heavy reads. Resuming sessions that aren't even that large get a scary prompt about using a significant portion of your token budget if you continue without compacting. T…

Valid points, but they address a totally different matter than the one I pointed out.

They give you multiple models and knobs to control effort? What are you looking for?
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