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Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by kelseyfrog »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #228
kelseyfrog wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Protocols The antisemitic ones?

No. It is zionism, which is orthogonal to semitism, that was chosen as the blame-shifting cover for the message, to put both proponents and opponents of said message on the false trail, but that's not how they should be read. The Protocols should be read as the message from those who are absolutelty corrupt with absolute power and want to remain in that power forever, regardless of the mask they wear. And they always…

Any insight on how this is related to the new world order and extra-terrestrials, specifically the Grays?

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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wartywhoa23 wrote: post #228
kelseyfrog wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Protocols The antisemitic ones?

No. It is zionism, which is orthogonal to semitism, that was chosen as the blame-shifting cover for the message, to put both proponents and opponents of said message on the false trail, but that's not how they should be read. The Protocols should be read as the message from those who are absolutelty corrupt with absolute power and want to remain in that power forever, regardless of the mask they wear. And they always…

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Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #241
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It is zionism, which is orthogonal to semitism, that was chosen as the blame-shifting cover for the message, to put both proponents and opponents of said message on the false trail, but that's not how they should be read. The Protocols should be read as the message from those who are absolutelty corrupt with absolute power and want to remain in that power forever, regardless of the mask they wear. And they always…

Any insight on how this is related to the new world order and extra-terrestrials, specifically the Grays?

Oh, the old venerable discredit by association trick! I'm a bit upset you didn't mention Anunakis and reptiloids.

See, there are no extra-terrestrials, only very sophisticated and evil terrestrial humans of blood and flesh, the new world order has been discussed here on HN daily without almost anyone acknowledging it for what it is, and your DBA tactics are laughable.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by docjay »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #181
bloppe wrote: post #152

There's tension between this law and the 14th, 5th and 1st amendments. Due process doctrine from the 5th and 14th establish unconstitutional vagueness. A law cannot be so vague as to be impossible to comply with. This law requires websites to enforce a ban based on information they don't have access to. Without explain how they might possibly achieve that aim, it can be considered unconstitutionally vague. The 1st am…

I'm not convinced. I use a VPN basically always, and frequently get blocked by VPN detectors. It's not perfect - sometimes switching VPN servers/providers gets me past it, but websites can employ VPN-detection technology. Then they just block you, which is what this is all about. Force companies to start blocking VPN traffic. It'll be at the individual site level for a while, then at the ISP level in a few years.

In a single sentence you explained how trivial it is to get around the current technology, then said they can just use the same thing. It’s so simple, just make it perfect and use it?

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Post by maxerickson »

tardedmeme wrote: post #176
martin-t wrote: post #162

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It's not just the US though, EU too. I don't like far fetched conspiracy theories but I really want to know where all this is coming from. Did politicians suddenly all get the same idea or are there groups lobbying for this who benefit in terms of money/power?

The EU has different norms. Bafflingly to me, it feels like the EU had an existing expectation of linking everything you do to your full name and address and then trusting the police to stop you getting swatted. I don't understand this attitude myself but you can see it in impressum laws for example, business registrations, needing your personal info to give feedback to parliaments, it's clearly a pervasive social no…

Imagine believing the police shouldn't murder you based on an anonymous report.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by hacker161 »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #228
kelseyfrog wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Protocols The antisemitic ones?

No. It is zionism, which is orthogonal to semitism, that was chosen as the blame-shifting cover for the message, to put both proponents and opponents of said message on the false trail, but that's not how they should be read. The Protocols should be read as the message from those who are absolutelty corrupt with absolute power and want to remain in that power forever, regardless of the mask they wear. And they always…

It’s nice you’re comfortable outing yourself as a freak who reads and agrees with the Protocols of the Elder Zion.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by burnt-resistor »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #169

I'm tired of fighting this stuff. The forces allied against internet freedom are just too large for us regular Hacker News nerds to deal with. What we need is a mass awakening of normal people who see the effects of internet censorship and demand a reversal. And sadly, that might not be possible until the normal people get a taste of censorship to realize they don't like it. So now I think, the sooner we go full Chin…

No, totally wrong. It's the accelerationist's fallacy because it will cause unnecessary suffering and damage that isn't undoable because polices, laws, culture, and attitudes aren't repairable like a broken machine or a zero sum game. Hence "burn it all down" brings terrorism rather than "renewal".

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by kelseyfrog »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #243
kelseyfrog wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any insight on how this is related to the new world order and extra-terrestrials, specifically the Grays?

Oh, the old venerable discredit by association trick! I'm a bit upset you didn't mention Anunakis and reptiloids. See, there are no extra-terrestrials, only very sophisticated and evil terrestrial humans of blood and flesh, the new world order has been discussed here on HN daily without almost anyone acknowledging it for what it is, and your DBA tactics are laughable.

I'm being serious.

Re: Utah to hold websites liable for users who mask their location with VPNs

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Post by bigbadfeline »

mvdwoord wrote: post #16

I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals... they feel dystopic and can seemingly only lead to brutal restrictions on the internet. What will we end up with? Only attested modems / endpoints in the home? With DPI? And a government issued smartcard to use it? It comes across as if this is what some legislators are actually after... they must have some technical advisors who can explain to them tha…

> I am completely baffled by this wave of new laws and proposals...

I'm not surprised in the slightest, the direction's been clear for more than 20 years now, so I've stopped looking for technical solutions, they will always be stop-gap measures if politics isn't fixed.

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Post by croes »

nephihaha wrote: post #220
croes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t need a formal conspiracy when interests converge.

At the same time? I don't think so. Almost everyone talks to each other and takes notes. We know they do. The World Economic Forum is real and has a website you can access. They talk about policies like this under their "Fourth Industrial Revolution" section and don't even hide it. The same policies are repeated across much of the world on everything from smoking to driving to digital ID, regardless of who gets voted…

It’s the political equivalent of a TikTok trend.

You see others doing it and think it’s a good idea, so you do it too.

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