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Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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I imagine a white PC fan would look terrible if not cleaned daily or used in a room with very filtered air.

Black cars show road dust immediately. White cars don't. I image it's similar for computer fans

White cars get filthy just as readily.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Where do you draw the line though? They have an amazing reputation for quality fan products, they clearly feel it needs a new injection mould which aren't cheap investments. I've got a Noctua NHD14 in my current build that I bought in 2011 and it performs perfectly still (including 2 free socket upgrades from Noctua).

> Where do you draw the line though? When the additional engineering adds no extra end user value. e.g. You need the blades to be strong enough to not shatter or flex, but beyond some level of strength it adds no additional utility

Yes and no. At a holistic level yes but for the product Noctua produces they've designed in a specific tip clearance which they want to maintain with the different pigments for their efficiency/acoustic targets.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Explains why LEGO had a leg up for multiple years. You can’t just change the color pigments and hope the parts fit in the same way. Of course these times are over and other brick manufacturers caught up or overtook Lego.

Brittle Brown!

LEGO issued an official apology and you can get replacements for your brown bricks made before 2018. (=

https://brickshow.com/2018/12/problem-lego-reddish-brown-bri...

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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I mean the point the article makes - black plastic has different characteristics to brown and beige plastics, so they need to be developed separately - seems reasonable on the surface, but that doesn't explain why they do the "novelty" colours first. Especially from the way it's worded, it sound like they might have to redo the moulds going brown -> black but potentially not the other way round. So overall, it just seems like the whole article is just PR spin.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Branding, you're never in doubt when some YouTuber is building a PC using Noctua fans. There's probably some weird psychology in the colour as well. Why would anyone want a fan in such an ugly colour, unless it's really good. The weird beige and brown is highly recognizable, and even if you already don't know about Noctua you're likely to ask questions about the fan solely based on the colour. The black fans are real…

They are enthusiast targeted brand and majority of enthusiast (heck even entry level cases) have windows in it. Enthusiasts care about the details - airflow, cable management and of course aesthetics. Noctua doesn't. I respect their engineering/no bullshit approach, the price bump is worth it but they lost my money on multiple builds by sticking to their 'brand color'. They're the Soylent of the fan world - everythin…

A large part of their business is also industrial applications. I doubt industrial customers care much about the colour and more and volume discounts and ability to provide custom solutions.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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If you need that kind of precision, yes. But I don't think they really need that.

To be fair, half a millimeter isn’t even that much precision, generally speaking. You wouldn’t be anywhere close to manufacturing a working ball pen at that precision. Or even an acceptable keyboard, if we stay with plastic. With fans blades, the difficulty is probably the precision relative to the fan diameter.

The difficulty is clearance between two moving parts, with blades that deform slightly due to air pressure (at different amounts for different speeds) and with thermal expansion.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Why would someone want a beige or brown fan? If it is that complicated why not only make black ones?

Branding, you're never in doubt when some YouTuber is building a PC using Noctua fans. There's probably some weird psychology in the colour as well. Why would anyone want a fan in such an ugly colour, unless it's really good. The weird beige and brown is highly recognizable, and even if you already don't know about Noctua you're likely to ask questions about the fan solely based on the colour. The black fans are real…

Yes. In marketing it’s called observability, and it’s why even high end designers are writing their brand names in huge letters on goods (well also to improve IP protection)

Apple’s white earphone cables are a classic example. Back in the iPod days everyone could tell who had an iPod versus off brands (many of whom, of course, existed long before iPod).

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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They are targeting people who want nearly-silent fans for computing devices and will pay considerably higher than average prices for them. I have several of them, and they are vastly quieter than the competition. Wouldn't be worth it in a commercial space, but I want my house to be quiet.

In my experience fans from manufacturers like Arctic can be almost as quiet similar Noctua, but cost 50% less. The difference definitely isn't vast for most models, although admittedly there's more QC issues and variation than with Noctua. A lot of Noctua sales come from their brand value. People put Noctua fans into their gaming PC's, use headphones while gaming on them, and then turn off the PC. You don't really ne…

> except for things like server systems that run 24/7 in my bedroom where noise and durability are top priority

... which is why I only have a few of them, rather than replacing the fans in everything I own. But for the things that need them, there's just nothing else as good.

Re: Why does it take so long to release black fan versions?

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Don't Noctua fans generally go in builds made by people who like silence? In which case they'd have silent cases with no glass panes, because those are thinner and a possible source of vibration. They may even glue (opaque) sound absorbing material to the inside of their cases. In which case, who cares what colour the fans are?

I built a PC this year in a Meshroom S V2[1]. The NF-A14x25 G2 fans I used for the AIO didn't seem so expensive when I was spending $600 on RAM, and I was happy that they were available in black. Not every quiet PC is built in a dense box. Good airflow with big, slow fans is working for me to cool a 9800X3D and a 5070 Ti quietly under load. [1]: https://ssupd.co/products/cases-meshroom-s-v2

I had once a mesh case, i forgot by who, but it wasn't the cheapest. Too noisy if you ask me.

The one you linked is all mesh so it doesn't capture noise anywhere. It's great if you like it, but I'd never consider it.

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