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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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vintermann wrote: post #191
jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

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Post by userbinator »

amarant wrote: post #127
grokys wrote: post #95

I do wonder why AI music is so lame. Every previous technological advancement in music produced amazing new sounds and styles but AI music seems to just be emulating lowest common denominator pop sludge. Where's the Bruce Haack or Kraftwerk of AI? Surely there's a previously unimaginable sound palette out there that we could be pulling from. Why is it all so BAD?

I find AI Iran to be the best hip-hop in a long time. What's bad about this? https://youtu.be/i0u_BNPOsMw?si=IQ49AkUM-4tFTqKX

On the subject of AI music with a political message, there are much better examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B4524ot5BM

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Post by JoeDaDude »

gyomu wrote: post #150
jameslk wrote: post #140

I might be in the minority, but I think this anti-AI sentiment is going to be generational. The next AI-native generation to grow up creating AI music, photos, videos, literature, code, etc will think it's silly why the older generation is so appalled at what they created and resistant to using AI to do it I'm not placing a value judgement either way, but I do think there will be a divide in the ways things are done…

Heh, people have an interest in other people. Taylor Swift or Ed Sheeran or whoever is cool these days are popular because they are real people with real lives and histories that can be related to, followed over time, etc. Of course the music matters, but the persona of who creates the music and their lore matters just as much. There’s a reason why live events are the moneymakers, people care about physicality. No on…

This "human connection" is over rated IMHO. We create an image of a human musician and too often become disappointed fans because, for example, we disapprove of the musician's lifestyle (the expression sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll exists for a reason), or because of disagreement with the social and political causes the musicians support. Occasionally, fans follow an artist for their commitment to their art later to discover they sell out, like their style changes to pursue mass appeal, or they sell their work to become a jingle for sugar pops or similar. I think it is best to appreciate their creation and admit the person creating it may not be someone to place undue adulation on. To quote a film, I think it is best to "separate the art from the artist".

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Post by shimman »

trelbutate wrote: post #61
overfeed wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This assumes that real people are listening to AI-generated music which does not seem to be the case. Spotify will still profit from fraudulent streams at the expense of advertisers.

Who will then stop advertising on there real quickly once they find out what's going on

Don't stop Facebook from completely making up video numbers. Seems like it's a good way to rug pull a bunch of workers and force them to accept lower rates.

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Post by upmind »

xingped wrote: post #208
techno303 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6 tracks have made the Billboard charts. That's a pretty definitive signal that people are listening to AI music. Where to draw the line on what is/isn't AI is a rabbit hole in and of itself. You'd have a hard time convincing me that people aren't using AI to build the most powerful DSP plugins. I've been very pleasantly surprised by how easy it is to make very music-useful tools with Faust and Codex. https://www.bil…

One of the problems is that it's hard to tell at first that it's AI music. Probably still hard to figure it out by ear after you've been told. But I think not nearly as many people would choose to listen to AI songs if they knew they were AI. There's a reason it can succeed as it is now. Making music that is catchy to our ears is fairly formulaic. It's easy fot AI to do the same. But if they start labeling which musi…

why does it matter to you if it's AI or not? if you enjoy a song you shouldn't resent it just because it's AI generated. Me personally there's many AI songs that I like and enjoy listening to.

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Post by torben-friis »

userbinator wrote: post #228
vintermann wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? There are countless people "on the other end" --- everyone who contributed training data, and of course the one who prompted the AI to generate the result. It's odd that this debate always ends up with one side thinking there's a machine autonomously generating music, when in fact AI-generated music comes from humans using AI to create what they want.

Suppose I ask my tattoo artist for a dragon. Would you agree that I created the tattoo?

If not, why then would asking the AI qualify as creation?

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Post by cryzinger »

card_zero wrote: post #231
cryzinger wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you're replying to, but here's one that was at the top of the homepage this morning (and that I immediately clicked out of because it had that AI stink). I would bet my next paycheck that this was heavily edited by an LLM, if not outright written by one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47973376

OK, but to qualify it also needs glowing comments about the writing, not just interaction with the concept (or title) of the article. Only one person did that ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47973724 ... then got contradicted and downvoted.

Fair, lol. I will admit I didn't read the comments :P

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Post by troosevelt »

torben-friis wrote: post #247
userbinator wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? There are countless people "on the other end" --- everyone who contributed training data, and of course the one who prompted the AI to generate the result. It's odd that this debate always ends up with one side thinking there's a machine autonomously generating music, when in fact AI-generated music comes from humans using AI to create what they want.

Suppose I ask my tattoo artist for a dragon. Would you agree that I created the tattoo? If not, why then would asking the AI qualify as creation?

There is absolutely some form of creation there. The most basic models now are just prompts but somebody has to prompt them, there is a human being there prompting the song and then deciding to share it (a form of curation).

I'd imagine these will get more and more granular to where you're not just prompting but you are gradually building up songs and at that point I'd be surprised if people were still making this argument.

These things don't exist without human interventio.n

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

something i haven’t seen mentioned that might possibly be a way to recognise it would be the bitrate. an AI model is limited by the dataset it was trained on and i guarantee you it wasn’t trained on lossless datasets. as someone who is an audiophile with my setup it’s pretty easy to spot and pick out a terrible mix from a good mix with an R2R DAC that doesn’t make music sound more pleasant than it actually is the way most sigma DACs do
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