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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Do car companies sell cars without air bags, or seat belts? What about cars that haven't been crash tested? What happens to them if they don't do this do you think? Would you drive a car optimized for profit that didn't have those safety features? How about on a highway? Daily?

We're talking about CSAM right? Which all platforms remove proactively, build models to remove and essentially always respond to when informed. Demanding some perfect immediate magic response there is the equivalent of asking car manufacturers to prevent all deaths.

Do they remove it and respond really though?

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f...

Here it's said that it's the users fault. I disagree. Completely. Most of these companies, staying on topic many of these companies have laid off the employees who tried to prevent things like this,

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/22/meta-layoffs-ai.html

https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-ai-safety-institute-will-be...

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/dqd54wpEfjKJsJBk6/xai-s-grok...

The list of not even trying anymore goes on and on. Mechahitler was also fun

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Meta said the contracting "did not meet (meta's) standards". I am sure that is true. meta's "standard" is not to reveal the illegal, immoral, unethical things meta does. No matter what the harm. Maybe a company with those standards should not get our business. Oops, no wait, maybe they mean the Friedman Doctrine standards? In that case they are entitled to do any and every thing to make a profit. No matter what the h…

I used to work for Meta. I quit largely because of intense frustrations with the company. Meta has made a lot of mistakes, overlooked a lot of harms, and made a lot of short-sighted, selfish choices. Many things about the world are worse than they could be because of choices Meta has made. So that when I say that they really do have a zero tolerance policy for anyone using their internal systems to violate user priva…

There's no allegation that these workers abused their access. The allegation is that their routine work reviewing footage included private content. The revelation is that USERS are using meta glasses non-consensually.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Imagine someone pulling up a smartphone and then recording everything that happens around them. Contrast that with someone wearing smart glasses and doing that exact same thing. On a separate note, (and this is a genuine question) are you by any chance aware the term Non-consensual intimate imagery / NCII? I am beginning to suspect that the average HN goer isn’t aware of the scope and scale of the Trust and Safety pr…

Have you heard the term non consensual intimate fantasies? I've heard it's an even bigger problem.

Well, you would fortunately be wrong. Fantasies are commonplace and well studied in society, psychology and even in the law.

The issue is when you go from fantasy to actually enacting it, which is usually when you earn the epithet of “Creep”.

Also, why make a throwaway for this line? I take it you haven’t heard of NCII?

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? It seems like you must have some human involvement to train and monitor. It’s a terrible job, I wouldn’t want to do it, but someone needs to. Perhaps one day, AI will be accurate enough to not need it, but even then you need someone to process complaints and waivers (like someone’s home photos being inaccurately flagged).

> How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? Different situation. Facebook has to do CSAM moderation because it's a publishing platform. People will post CSAM on facebook, so they must do moderation. And "just don't have facebook" isn't a solution because every publication of any sort has to deal with this problem; Any newspaper accepting mail has this problem. (Albeit to a much more scaled down versi…

> traumatizing contract workers for $2-3 an hour)

Is there an hourly rate at which this should be acceptable?

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

Also, if you've gone from zero to one of the biggest coroporations in the country, and have billions to throw at the 'metaverse', I find it hard to believe that removing CSAM is where you struggle.

Isn't this more about disincentivizing the posting of it in the first place by increasing the chances of getting banned? Once you have to remove it, it's too late.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Many things about the world are worse than they could be because of choices Meta has made. If Facebook were designed with a different set of incentives that prioritized the user, fostered positive engagement, and better respected individual's privacy and data sovereignty - setting a better standard for the whole industry - I feel there wouldn't be all this fuss today about banning social media accounts.

It's likely they wouldn't be as profitable too though, and their mandate to shareholders is to make number go up.

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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Meta said the contracting "did not meet (meta's) standards". I am sure that is true. meta's "standard" is not to reveal the illegal, immoral, unethical things meta does. No matter what the harm. Maybe a company with those standards should not get our business. Oops, no wait, maybe they mean the Friedman Doctrine standards? In that case they are entitled to do any and every thing to make a profit. No matter what the h…

I used to work for Meta. I quit largely because of intense frustrations with the company. Meta has made a lot of mistakes, overlooked a lot of harms, and made a lot of short-sighted, selfish choices. Many things about the world are worse than they could be because of choices Meta has made. So that when I say that they really do have a zero tolerance policy for anyone using their internal systems to violate user priva…

As someone who worked for a contractor which had Meta as a client, I disagree.

All advertiser support agents were given super-read on all profiles & pages, and I never once observed a CSR being questioned on their use of this access in any way.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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A question for the HN folks who work for Meta - Is the pay so good that it makes it worth working for such a morally bankrupt organization?

There are countless large, high paying, morally bankrupt companies out there. It’s no mystery that people continue to work for them.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Meta said the contracting "did not meet (meta's) standards". I am sure that is true. meta's "standard" is not to reveal the illegal, immoral, unethical things meta does. No matter what the harm. Maybe a company with those standards should not get our business. Oops, no wait, maybe they mean the Friedman Doctrine standards? In that case they are entitled to do any and every thing to make a profit. No matter what the h…

I used to work for Meta. I quit largely because of intense frustrations with the company. Meta has made a lot of mistakes, overlooked a lot of harms, and made a lot of short-sighted, selfish choices. Many things about the world are worse than they could be because of choices Meta has made. So that when I say that they really do have a zero tolerance policy for anyone using their internal systems to violate user priva…

@jaidhyani I hate to burst your bubble, but there are major privacy violations here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47225130

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