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Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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> Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m. That works out to roughly a 16.7-second 100m. While certainly not crawling, that would be a fairly average pace for a fairly fit middle- to early-high-schooler with a bit of practice. Yes that’s insane to maintain for a marathon, but it’s not even remotely out of reach for 100m for most relatively-fit people at some point in their lives.

I think it's even slow for high schoolers. I didn't practice that much and ran 100m in 12.5s from rest at my peak. 4s slower is snail pace. I think most in my class could run that fast (or slow).

I think height matters for speed as a fit 6ft+ would easily run way faster than a 4" 8' fit person.

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Yeah I can barely even ride my bike that fast much less keep that pace for two hours.

You must be crawling on your bike I'd love to see that

That's just a mean comment

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> unless you are competing on a world stage, these aren’t meant for you. There’s a lot of people trying to get a 3 hour marathon or some other goal where chasing the marginal gains is worth the cost to them.

What sort of gain would that be for a non-world class runner? I'm unfamiliar with high level running, but I'm curious as in most sports these sort of things provide a small benefit at the top level (seems to be about a ~3% reduction in times over the past decade since the shoe wars began), and that quickly becomes statistical noise outside of the top due to diminishing returns.

But if you really want to reduce your marathon time by 15 minutes, then gaining a few minutes from better shoes, a few minutes from a high altitude training camp/holiday in Flagstaff/Dolomites, and a few minutes from a day at a gait analysis centre, may be worthwhile - or atleast a fun way to spend money on your hobby.

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Wow, that’s ~13 mph, basically a full-on sprint for a mere mortal. Absolutely insane.

The fastest marathoners are moving at 4m30sec per mile or faster. Very few mere mortals could run that fast for even 100m.

The fastest 1km I ever ran was around 3m20s, I felt like I was sprinting, and was fully cooked at the finish line.

Afterwards I did some quick numbers and realised the average marathon runner was not only going a lot quicker than I was, but they were doing it for a further 41km

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One gram of carbs is 4 calories., so more like 400 calories per hour. It was confusing when the running industry switched from calories to grams of carbs, but that's all anyone talks about now.

It’s also confusing that most nutritional labels say “calories” (Cal) when they really mean kilocalories (kcal). And those are different from regular (‘small’) calories (a measure of energy needed to heat 1g water 1c). 1 food calorie as listed on a food label is enough to heat 1kg of water by 1c

Yeah, I assume this dumbification is spearheaded by the Americans.

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The majority of people in the world cannot complete a half marathon, let alone under two hours. I was pleased to train enough that I managed under three. You're doing great!

half marathon is ~20 KM its pretty sad that a large percentage of people cant do that. One can simply walk that much distance wihtout any prior training.

You can walk it in under 4 hours. I can do it, but I can't run that much, my calves are just not trained for aerobic workloads. I don't run normally, I walk or cycle, but do not run.

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The majority of people in the world cannot complete a half marathon, let alone under two hours. I was pleased to train enough that I managed under three. You're doing great!

half marathon is ~20 KM its pretty sad that a large percentage of people cant do that. One can simply walk that much distance wihtout any prior training.

I am sure the poster meant running. Of course people can walk. That's not much of an achievement, unless you're geriatric.

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Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…

the consensus seems to be that the foam itself is the spring (hence the successful adidas evo sl and dynafish xiaonian), and the carbon plate/rod/whatever is more to control/manage that "spring".

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I'm a runner, and it's a bit sad that distance running is not longer purely about the runner. Based on the quote below, next thing we will see is a "constructors championship" similar to F1 for winning shoe constructor in the 'major' marathons :-(. " This dominance continued in 2024, with adidas athletes wearing Adizero models winning six out of 12 World Major Marathons – more than any other brand." and yes, of cours…

It was never about the runner, it has always been about technology and innovation. Shoes tech is just one of them. Better nutrition, novel training techniques, better air quality etc. Of course innovation in shoes will have a bigger marginal impact (because physics).

Of course it's also about the runner, that's why the Kenyan models dominate with their biological innovation.
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