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'Hairdryer used to trick weather sensor' to win Polymarket bet

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If it exists, and money can flow, it will be gamed.

We should have much stricter penalties for fraud. Vastly more money is stolen this way than by petty theft or robbery, but the perpetrators tend to get off very lightly by comparison.

Remember DOGE?

Yeah. Good luck!

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> There are no indications so far that the successful punters have had to return their winnings. However, the data source for Paris’s hottest temperature has since moved to a sensor at the smaller Paris-Le Bourget airport. Here's the negative externality that no one will care about. There's no reason gamblers won't repeat this stunt, until us poor schmucks who just want an accurate temperature reading have to build a…

But why are they only using one sensor?

Probably would make sense for polymarket, but otherwise you get things like “mothers on average have 1.9 babies”

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Yours is a rather pedestrian dorm-room take on epistemology and relevance of the moral dimension to social progress whose flaws are addressed in longform by Feyerabend.

What a bizarre response. I was relaying the technical details of working in these data environments based on deep, real-world operational experience in the domain. There is no "moral dimension" to it, I was describing the world as it exists. Does Feyerabend also have an opinion on compiler flags and sorting algorithms?

There is a moral dimension, you're just choosing not to acknowledge it.

Feyerabend speaks to things that add context and nuance to the effects, consequences, and provisions of the things you've felt comfortable discussing so far.

Hence the recommendation. Your awareness could use some expanding, if I may be so blunt.

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You completely missed the issue. Météo-France already has tens of thousands of stations across the country, they're very obviously not basing their entire models off of one sensor in Paris CDG. The degenerate idiots from Polymarket bet on this particular sensor . There's no law preventing people from betting on single sensors. And we can't make laws preventing people from acting on the world in all the diverse ways t…

I would like to see France ban the tourist scammers before they worry about fools willingly making stupid polymarket bets on a single sensor. Also good luck banning polymarket, isn't that the one that trades using crypto?

The "tourist scammers" are already illegal... Holy whataboutism.

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lies were invented recently?

They are a human factory setting that AI is amplifying to unprecedented new levels by making engineering them in industrial scale brutally cheap.

like language, or religion, or paper, or printing, or radio. now? now is when lying is problem? not anytime in the previous 500,000 years. now is when civilization will collapse because lies? aren't autonomous agents suppose to navigate complex environments?

this doesn't make sense. i dont gamble on weather at french airports.

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We should have much stricter penalties for fraud. Vastly more money is stolen this way than by petty theft or robbery, but the perpetrators tend to get off very lightly by comparison.

Wage theft is the largest form of theft by a wide margin. Everything from not paying people at all for contracted work, forcing people to work overtime without additional pay, structuring contracts/agreements in terms of bonuses that can never be attained with the insane performance requirements, to paying people late.

To be fair, in most states you don't even have to sue to recover back wages. You just file a report with the state labor board, who are empowered to bring legal action on your behalf.

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polymarkets are a curse; they'll never be able to stamp out the perverse incentives. I can't wait until we wake up to the fact that they should be banned.

we have a whole government department SEC and complex reporting laws just to try to stop manipulation of the stock market for profit, and that's with a very small scope (stock price) -- the polymarket scope is theoretically infinite, there's no way to regulate that

people should watch Nightcrawler for an idea of where this this sort of thing can lead to

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People have no idea how pervasive this is globally.

If it exists, and money can flow, it will be gamed.

Now apply that logic to the academics, journalists and NGOs whose income depends on temperature readings ...

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> some of them would have been caught, and it would've been exposed as a hamfisted and shambolic scandal. Isn't that the same thing that happened here? It's a news story because they got caught. There is apparently already a law against this sort of tampering and it makes sense to have that law. > Now, because of prediction markets, the "attack surface" for interfering with scientific data collection is much larger a…

It's now that poorer, less powerful, were caught. I'm sure it's been caught before, but buried.

Is that supposed to be better or worse? If it gets buried you don't even know that the data has been manipulated when using it for other purposes.

Also, the oil and tobacco companies have certainly been caught manipulating scientific results on multiple occasions.

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We should have much stricter penalties for fraud. Vastly more money is stolen this way than by petty theft or robbery, but the perpetrators tend to get off very lightly by comparison.

Wage theft is the largest form of theft by a wide margin. Everything from not paying people at all for contracted work, forcing people to work overtime without additional pay, structuring contracts/agreements in terms of bonuses that can never be attained with the insane performance requirements, to paying people late.

>Wage theft is the largest form of theft by a wide margin

I doubt that is true in the US for sensible definitions of wage theft.

>structuring contracts/agreements in terms of bonuses that can never be attained with the insane performance requirements

I disagree that this is theft although it might be exploitation if the employee has less experience or knowledge than the employer.

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