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Ping-pong robot beats top-level human players

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Post by andriy_koval »

rustyhancock wrote: post #168
fhub wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not marching, but Ukraine uses continuous track machine gun robots seemingly very effectively. They aren’t suicide ones. https://archive.is/dpNsN

They are an interesting prospect but their use isn't quite as claimed. They are extremely vulnerable to the same drones humans are. It's more along the lines of this is a patch were not expecting active fighting this robot can act as a deterrent and surveillance. Cheaper and simpler than a loitering IRS drone. But more concentrated in domain. I believe for a while Samsung developed similar drones for the demilitarise…

> They are extremely vulnerable to the same drones humans are.

I am not confident about this. Human gets disabled by few small shrapnel projectiles into soft tissue. It is possible to build way more protected robot, for which you need some direct hit to disable it. That robot could also be very agile: e.g. do some evading jump at the last moment before being hit.

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Post by Vegenoid »

hermitcrab wrote: post #3
dmurray wrote: post #2

A year ago this [0] table tennis robot backed by Google DeepMind was discussed on HN. It plays much worse and the HN discussion is anchored around whether it's OK to call it "human-level" or if the authors should have clarified that they meant a human who doesn't actually play table tennis. But it was accepted as being SOTA at that time. What happened since then? This looks like the kind of level of advance we see in…

As a human player (of a not-high standard) I cannot see the spin of the ball directly. I can only infer it from the movement of my opponents bat. So I would wonder that a camera could pick it up in real time. Also IT'S TABLE TENNIS, NOT PING PONG!

I do not understand why people who get serious about it want so badly for it to be called table tennis. Ping pong is a way more fun name, and table tennis just seems to make it out to be a smaller, inferior version of tennis.

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

dyauspitr wrote: post #221
throwatdem12311 wrote: post #87

I don’t care about robots being better than humans at human achievement. Would anyone ever watch Clankers play hockey against eachother at a Clanker Olympics? The idea is absurd, I want to see humans competing because they are humans not just because they are good.

I absolutely think people will watch humanoid robots fight to the “death”. I also think they will watch them do incredible parkour, run the 100m in 5 secs, do 1000 mile marathons, etc. with the important caveat being that they are humanoid shaped.

maybe once or twice then the novelty will wear off like it always does

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Post by theshrike79 »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #203
theshrike79 wrote: post #185

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Yes, in a perfect world we'd have infinite nurses who have infinite time to spend quality time with each client. In the real world, right now, nurses have a set time in minutes to visit each client and if there's traffic or someone has fallen over and needs extra care, guess what? Someone else gets less time or the nurse has to work overtime, usually un(der)paid. (Sauce: have people in both sides of this equation in…

>I'd much rather have the daily care of my elder relatives managed by a remote operated bot than watch one more grandparent wither away slowly in an elderly care facility. Yeah shit, I don't know which is worse. My plan is just dying before I reach that stage.

I’m hoping self-administered euthanasia is more common when I get there.

Too many ways to wither away slowly in my genes. I’d rather have All The Fun and then go on my own terms.

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

IX-103 wrote: post #190
rich_sasha wrote: post #153

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It's going to happen and at some level I'd rather war casualties were measured in robots rather than people. My concern is the cottage industry of integrating guns with half baked AI at the lowest cost. And probably vibe coded too. The companies don't care - a sale is a sale. MoD maybe doesn't care - 90% accuracy and less human casualties on their own side are a win. Governments want to save money and by the time the…

I can't wait for the day that killing a human-any human-is considered a war crime.

I can't wait for the adds for war crime defense attorneys.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

phtrivier wrote: post #20

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

People were making jokes about the recent chinese robot marathon saying this is how it will be when they get drafted to defend taiwan from chinese invasion. Just running from these robots that can full sprint as fast as a tiger with no lactic acid build up. They were hot swapping batteries during the race so these things really have no down time.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

mghackerlady wrote: post #195
phtrivier wrote: post #20

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

Is it possible South Koreans edge in RTS games is from their compulsory military service? Also, China is not likely to invade Taiwan any time soon. It'd be geopolitical suicide and they're currently in a very good spot geopolitically. Invading the country with the rest of the worlds chip fabs is the quickest way to lose that

People said that about iran if they closed the strait, and here we are week number what now with them being seemingly little worse for the wear. Maybe these predictions are too pessimistic.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

munksbeer wrote: post #142
phtrivier wrote: post #20

My biggest fear at the moment is robot armies and police forces. Case in point : we're all expecting China needs to invade Taiwan soon, or they will run out of soldiers because of the one child policies of the 70s/80s. Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding up against a "modern" army with quickly assembled drones. So it all seems a bit like "they'll never put tanks through the Ardennes", sort of ? Where and when will the firs…

Silly Devil's Advocate argument: What if there are no human soldiers or fighters at all? No-one needs to die in a war again, but wars are won by the side with the stronger tech. What are the possible outcomes of this? Technologically superior countries start a race to acquire more territory, so large blocks expand and absorb other countries? More wars? Fewer wars? More suffering? Less suffering? Disclaimer: I'm not i…

One outcome is to just sacrifice your human population as meat shield or bait. Only thing you need to maintain your control on your corner of the world is the robots, not meatbag humans with all the liability inherent to that.

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Post by laxpri »

thenthenthen wrote: post #131
downboots wrote: post #105

Robo-augmented padel, the future

Obligatory Stuff Made Here robot putter: https://youtu.be/2OfjZ3ORJfc?si=IHdZaLJE2TBg45HF

I watched this video two times(I love it) . the thing is , he is using to solve is hybrid approach , not fully neural based (which make sense, for the compute limitation , and obviously it is still amazing ) . but there could be many approaches for this , like fully neural based or work with less hardware..etc ..etc ( there is many I just cant recall it right now) . I am waiting for someone making that version of this
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