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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by conductr »

Gigachad wrote: post #119
notarobot123 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boiling the frog is an art form. You've got to know when to turn up the heat and when to let it simmer.

Don’t know, I feel like I’ve watched every tech company get through every controversy without consequence. Google when they merged YouTube and Google+, Reddit multiple times, Facebook after countless scandals. Microsoft destroying windows and pushing ads. At the end of the day a solid product and company can withstand online controversy.

> a solid product and company can withstand online controversy

A product with a massive moat. Switching from Claude to another competitor is insanely easy and without much loss of quality. Until they’ve built their moat, burning goodwill is foolish.

What’s different is it’s probably required due to the cash that’s being burnt to operate. They can’t afford to keep offering so much for so little revenue.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by root_axis »

embedding-shape wrote: post #144
arcanemachiner wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Anthropic is constantly doing the opposite, I would just call it "balance".

Not that I'm some paragon when it comes to critical thinking exactly, but if there any sort of proof or evidence of Anthropic "silencing negativity"? Wouldn't surprise me, but also haven't seen anything conclusive about it either, so spreading that they are as fact, is ironically FUD itself.

When they say "doing the opposite" they are referring to Anthropic's hyperbolic marketing strategy.

Though, I don't think that justifies spreading FUD in the opposite direction. I also don't think the comment the GP was replying to contains FUD.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bradynapier »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #219
devanshranjan wrote: post #215

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Same building on their API. You design around what you think is allowed, then a blog post shifts everything. A proper developer policy page would fix this.

Stealibg OAuth keys from first party app to impersonate it in order to not have to pay for usage with properly generated API key was never part of normal use anywhere.

Yeah, the main point here is they had a CLI specifically that allowed you to call Claude, and that was being used. The CLI giving you access should kind of indicate that you should be able to use it as it is defined in the help.

I do agree, though, that the parts of this that were actually using the Claude system to generate OAuth keys themselves are a little sus.

That makes sense to say “must use Claude harness to login before calling Claude cli or using Claude code sdk”

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Skidaddle »

languagehacker wrote: post #197

My OpenClaw assistant (who's been using Claude) lost all his personality over the last week, and couldn't figure out how to do things he never had any issues doing. I racked up about $28 worth of usage and then it just stopped consuming anymore, so I don't know if there was some other issue, but it was persistent. I got sick of it and used a migration script to move my assistant's history and personality to a claude…

What does your Claude Code implementation of OpenClaw look like?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by giancarlostoro »

joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

They really need to figure out the rules, look I'd love to use a custom harness with Claude Code that I can extend, or build my own (which I'm doing) and use it with my Claude Code license, I don't want to overspend on tokens if I can help it. They really need to set their bar for the next model releases to use less tokens, or to trim their own cost for how these models are run. I'd be okay with a slightly slower experience with Claude Code if it meant similar throughput, but less cost, especially if I can build my own harness for it.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by ikidd »

stingraycharles wrote: post #73
operatingthetan wrote: post #33

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This is such a strange way for this to be announced. Why is openclaw telling us this? I wouldn't even trust it until Anthropic says so themselves.

They had this on here since day 1 of the block. This is just Openclaw saying "if you run Openclaw inside Claude Code, it's compliant with the Anthropic ToS", because, well, it's literally running inside Claude Code. What's not allowed is grabbing the oauth tokens and using these for your own custom agent, which is what was (and still is) banned. Nothing has changed, this appears to just be a giant misunderstanding (a…

That's how I took that; if I installed CC and worked in CC to modify OC, all good. If I ran the openclaw gateway itself with a CC oauth key, my bad.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by biophysboy »

joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

I think a good corollary idea to "vibe coding" is the "vibe product". There is so much stuff popping in and out of existence and my excitement has declined.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by 2001zhaozhao »

I think they're now charging it as extra usage if you use a custom prompt.

In the Claude site they added the option to buy extra usage at 30% off if you buy $1,000 or more at a time, so it's still somewhat cheaper to use OpenClaw with a claude account compared to an API key.

(Incidentally the 30% off might mean that choosing a Pro plan + extra usage versus Max plan might make sense for more people)

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by jstummbillig »

joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

I have no trouble believing that all labs are trying really hard to come up with an enticing bundle of something works for a wide variety of users, but it's hard to anticipate the popularity of something like OpenClaw, which completely blows through all previous usage patterns at population level.

It seems like a tall order to set lasting rules in this space at this point, where nobody really understands what is going to happen in a few weeks.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Forgeties79 »

signatoremo wrote: post #194
Forgeties79 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^every comment when someone says something remotely negative about LLM’s and their less useful cousins, cryptocurrencies. It’s baffling how similar the language and attitude is sometimes. Anthropic was, even to me, “one of the better ones” until recently. They have made many questionable/poor decisions the last 6-8 weeks and people are right to call them out for it, especially when they want our money.

There are bad products and ones that are never used, just to paraphrase. Every single decision of any business gets derided by some segments of its users. You are free to call out Anthropic for anything you are unhappy about, and you are free to switch vendor, but calling them “good” or “bad” just shows your emotional immaturity, or bias.

Everyone is biased. You’re biased. It doesn’t invalidate your opinion, just like it doesn’t invalidate mine. There is no “objective truth” about the moral value or utility of Anthropic.

“You’re biased” in these contexts is often just a weak argument bordering on a personal attack. You’re attacking my credibility with no basis for it rather than arguing in favor of anthropic.

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