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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by rationalist »

Aurornis wrote: post #238
rationalist wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any lawyers here? > wait for you to do it repeatedly until it adds up to enough for a felony instead of just a misdemeanor Isn't there a concept in the legal system where you have to mitigate damages even if you're the victim? I can't think of the example off the top of my head that Steve Lehto (consumer lawyer on YouTube gave). I'm guessing people who steal from the stores aren't able to afford a decent lawyer, but…

> why didn't you stop him after the first theft? Why did you keep letting him steal? Enforcement goes to the police. Stores can't apprehend thieves. There is a lot of training for store employees to not try to engage the thieves because some can behave erratically and dangerously when they feel like they're caught. You can tell someone they need to stop and pay for merchandise, but if they choose to keep walking ther…

Stores can and do trespass people without police involvement.

The stores can also make a police report after the first theft, but the stores are choosing not to.

The stores are choosing not to mitigate their damages, something that the courts frown upon in my limited knowledge.

I understand that might be a civil aspect (mitigation) versus a criminal aspect, but perhaps someone who has been to law school and studied the law, might be able shed some light.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by istjohn »

Marsymars wrote: post #207
forgotaccount3 wrote: post #202

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> The visual risk of walking out without paying is much greater than the risk that anyone actually investigates AND tries to track him down for it. So scan everything, then put it in the cart and walk off without putting in the credit card. Again, both are stealing but paying some fake, reduced rate is leaving your calling card at the scene of a crime.

> So scan everything, then put it in the cart and walk off without putting in the credit card. I actually saw someone do this a couple weeks ago.

I'm absent minded enough to accidentally do this on a bad day. I haven't yet, to my knowledge.

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Post by walthamstow »

Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

Are you me? I also did this at university in Britain circa 2010. I went for onions and carrots mostly. I'd go to the meat or fish counter and get lovely bits of fillet, then check them out weighed as onions.

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Post by kennywinker »

Telaneo wrote: post #229
kennywinker wrote: post #222

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They understaffed, and it sucked. Now you do all the work and are apparently happy about it. Go figure.

Given that every store (and damn near every establishment for that matter) has been understaffed for the past 20-ish years, can you blame them?

Yeah, actually I can. Understaffed just means you’re not paying well enough.

Look what happened recently in new york. $30/hour to shovel snow got them a lineup out the door of people wanting to work.

Those companies made the choice to prioritize profit margins above staffing.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by recursive »

lamasery wrote: post #178
recursive wrote: post #173

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Oregon recently eliminated their mandatory gas station pump attendants. It seems most people considered that a good thing. For those that prefer the premium experience of having a human cashier, it seems that for now, they're still easy to find. For establishments that regularly expect to have large orders with dozens of items, they'll probably continue. It seems there's less to gain for large complicated orders. Or…

I'd probably be happier about self-checkout if I had previously been expected to tip checkers.

Customers are paying their wages either way.

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Post by b10nic »

culi wrote: post #94
dfxm12 wrote: post #46

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It sucks that we have to do extra labor and expose ourselves to this kind of legal risk all because a grocery store doesn't want to staff workers. It's not even like they pass these savings onto us...

That's true, grocery stores made record profits during covid. I've sometimes toyed with the idea of an "open sourced" grocery store that's extremely transparent about every detail. Think electronic price tags that give you a complete breakdown of the cost of an item, cost of labor, cost to account for "loss", over/under-supply, etc. I feel like there's a niche out there for hyperinformed consumers

I have always liked the idea of a company that sits between me and all the other services I engage. Like I am a client of ZipZorp and they negotiate on my behalf rentals, travel, providers, utilities et al. ZipZorp provides value to me by using their size to negotiate better rates, conditions, offer legal protection and as you put it remain hyperinformed in a way that I cannot. I would pay for a service like that.

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Post by cindyllm »

Aurornis wrote: post #238
rationalist wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any lawyers here? > wait for you to do it repeatedly until it adds up to enough for a felony instead of just a misdemeanor Isn't there a concept in the legal system where you have to mitigate damages even if you're the victim? I can't think of the example off the top of my head that Steve Lehto (consumer lawyer on YouTube gave). I'm guessing people who steal from the stores aren't able to afford a decent lawyer, but…

> why didn't you stop him after the first theft? Why did you keep letting him steal? Enforcement goes to the police. Stores can't apprehend thieves. There is a lot of training for store employees to not try to engage the thieves because some can behave erratically and dangerously when they feel like they're caught. You can tell someone they need to stop and pay for merchandise, but if they choose to keep walking ther…

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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by vablings »

neuralkoi wrote: post #118
Aboutplants wrote: post #29

I was in college when self checkout became a thing and it took us all of about 45 seconds to realize that you could just check everything out as bananas. Steak was weighed and priced at 4011 (banana code) as the stoned teenager cashier paid no attention. Everything on the receipt was literally Bananas

Yesterday I went to Walmart, and at the self-checkout the system quirked out and an attendant came by. She reviewed some sort of draconian overhead cam video of me trying to locate a tag out for a product to scan. Gave me "guilty until proven" innocent vibes. Are these systems actually effective?

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Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

devilbunny wrote: post #61
rimunroe wrote: post #22

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> Usually the advertised price must be honored, because it may have brought the customer to your store. This is not the case for groceries in Massachusetts at least. If there’s a discrepancy between the tag’s price and the scanned price the store must charge the customer the lowest of the two: https://www.mass.gov/price-accuracy-information

I suspect this law does not apply in cases of fraud. If not, simple tag-switching would be rampant.

But in the moment how do you know it's fraud and not an employee mistake? Especially if the price is not egregiously low.

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Post by giantg2 »

data-ottawa wrote: post #203

I’m very surprised here. I worked in retail many years, including doing store shelf tear downs and replacement and night shift stocking. Back in the day we would get our planograms from HQ, then we’d print out all the labels on perforated paper, and walk the shelves moving product and updating the price tags, throwing out the old. The epaper tags are very clearly an improvement to that process in both time and waste.…

"I also would have thought in these days we’d use Bluetooth beacons to triangulate the shelf slot too."

Maybe wifi6 location based on the gun when setting the tag?

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