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US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional

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It still negatively affects your ability to drive. You shouldn’t be taking anything that negatively affects reaction time or attention and drive. I’m pro legalization but definitely not pro reckless behavior like that

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If you think consuming thc doesn’t effect your driving ability then you should probably lay off it for a while because you’ve become retarded.

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If you think consuming thc doesn’t effect your driving ability then you should probably lay off it for a while because you’ve become retarded.

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I think the issue is this isn't seen by politicians as a motivating vote driver. It is, however, a motivation for someone to go out and vote against a politician. That's ultimately what keeps things like MJ illegal. There are just far too many people that will get upset about it if it were made federally legal. My state, Idaho, has one such politician that is constantly bringing up and trying to find ways to keep the…

I personally would be okay with having it legal if smoking could still be banned in multifamily complexes. I don't care if my neighbors are using edibles, but since I know that legalized weed means more smoke coming from my neighbors' balconies, I will always vote "No" when marijuana legalization is on the ballot in my location.

Voting to put people in prison because of smells is certainly a take.

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The US refused to defend the Commerce Clause, so the circuit court did not consider it, though the Commerce Clause precedent would have likely demanded a different result.

This is circuit split engineering by the administration, meant to allow the Supreme Court to overrule its precedent on the Commerce Clause or whatever.

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> VOCs and carcinogens are a health hazard. Asthma, kids development, allergies, and occasional migraine trigger. This is the foundational reasoning for making perfume, air fresheners, deodorant, and scented cleaning supplies illegal to possess or use.

Frankly, as an asthmatic I'd be 100% onboard with everything. There are plenty of scent free deodorants that work just fine, btw.

Fair enough. Banning VOCs and carcinogens would also make barbecues illegal, or really the Maillard reaction in general though.

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Frankly, as an asthmatic I'd be 100% onboard with everything. There are plenty of scent free deodorants that work just fine, btw.

Fair enough. Banning VOCs and carcinogens would also make barbecues illegal, or really the Maillard reaction in general though.

There’s a difference between something inherent to a process, and something added for basically for marketing reasons that has minimal/no positive effect in actual functionality.

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>there can be no interstate market in a substance that is illegal to trade. There is in fact an interstate market in many substances that are illegal to trade because laws against things do not make those things fail to exist.

No market that the federal government can recognize, tax or regulate

Illegal commerce is still subject to taxation and regulation, famously so in the case of Al Capone.

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I don't see SCOTUS ever overturning Wickard , sadly. Too many federal programs and regulations would lose their legal basis if that happened.

I call BS. Wickard is about, effectively, "police power" based on a broad interpretation of the scope of federal/interstate commerce. As noted by other commenters, the concept of federal control of interstate commerce was intended to prevent states from interfering with trade between themselves and other states, and to create some "higher" authority for aspects of commerce that truly transcended state borders and con…

If you can use the commerce clause to prevent a guy growing wheat on his own property and feeding that crop in its entirety to his animals, there literally isn't an activity the federal government can't regulate.

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You’re probably right, though I dread the possibility. I cannot stand the smell, and one of the best things about moving from California to Texas was avoiding that pervasive smell being everywhere. Negative externalities of personal behavior really need to be handled better in our society. If you want pot to be legal, fine, but only inside your own personal enclosed house.

Some people say the same about the smell or noise of babies. It's not a very strong argument for getting ones way in controlling others.

If you truly think that "having babies" and "smoking weed" can be compared in any meaningful sense like this, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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Missed in the previous discussion: methanol is irrelevant. Grain based ferments have essentially zero methanol.(And methanol risk is a function of its concentration relative to ethanol — the treatment for methanol poisoning is… ethanol!) even fruit based fermentations with significantly higher pectin concentrations only produce trace methanol, and it’s not all that well concentrated in a distillation due to azeotrope…

I did mention all of that. When the same topic came up a few days ago.
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