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Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by jurschreuder »

We also migrated from Windows to Linux and Mac.

We also migrated from AWS and Azure to European cloud.

But as you can see Mac is still from the USA so although the making things European sounds nice, it's only part of the reason.

Mac has greatly improved with the M chip line. Windows has greatly degraded over time.

AWS and Azure are by now something like 10x the price per year of just buying the hardware yourselves. They always compare the price to the salary of a senior engineer in San Francisco if you include vested stocks.

However installing a database with the correct security settings has also become a lot easier since AWS started.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by petre »

YZF wrote: post #188
stephen_g wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it’s not just that, the current administration have destroyed a bunch of the US’s oldest and most important alliances… I’m not in Europe but in another allied country, the feeling amongst people here is that the US is not able to be trusted as a partner anymore. And with ways the Government can apply pressure to US companies (CLOUD Act etc.) that extends to IS companies too.

Curious where you are. I am in Canada and it's certainly mixed feelings but I think there are plenty of Canadians that understand that despite the current craziness we're in this together for the long term. Similarly in the US there are plenty that understand this. In relation to Europe vs. the US. Even before the current administration Europe has been at odds with American companies: "The European Union Renews Its O…

Everything went South after the US listened to Merkel's phone. That happened during the Obama administration.

If the EU or France are not capable of adopting Linux instead of M$ on the desktop, how are they going to switch phones over to something else that is not US based? By something else I don't mean Huawei.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by petre »

vrganj wrote: post #237
drnick1 wrote: post #187

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> recentering the global economy around itself. Wishful thinking.

Europe is now at the center of the world's largest free trade zone of two billion people. That is objective fact, not a wish.

I wonder what are we going to sell to Mercosur. German cars? They'll buy from China. French wine? They already have their own and it's quite good. Spsnish and Greek olive oil? That could work.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by dang »

roysting wrote: post #45
peter-m80 wrote: post #38

should be done at EU level and make it mandatory for all members

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Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by petre »

peyton wrote: post #199
YZF wrote: post #186

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Well said on the site of Y-Combinator. A US company ran by Americans that mostly funds startups in the US. Clearly the US, the home of Apple, nVidia, Anthropic, Open AI, SpaceX, Google, Meta, Amazon, Tesla etc. is sinking while the EU the home of (? ... well, there is ASML) is going to be running the world. Linus works on Linux from ... Portland, Oregon. And oh, look at where Linux contributions are coming from: http…

It is admittedly pretty goofy to get exactly what you want—an army of people making rules for everything under the sun—and come on here and complain about what we’re doing. Even TFA, which is about yet another rule, has a goofy quote from the Minister of something or other about breaking free from American tools. Linux seems pretty American to me [1]. Maybe they’ll fork. Would be cool. [1]: https://insights.linuxfoun…

Well, does it matter? It worked for China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kylin_(operating_system)

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by petre »

bertil wrote: post #218
sveme wrote: post #192

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Trump is all that‘s needed for that. The Greenland saga alone was sufficient. And then he attacked Iran.

Trump is too cheap to have paid for those ads.

He's probably an instrument of those interests as well.

'We'll prop up this crazy narcissistic bully and the suckers are gonna vote for him, mainly because Biden has been a disaster. Then he'll put other idiots in charge, go after the EU and Iran just because and make us piles of cash in the process.'.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by oaiey »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #149
raincole wrote: post #123

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This is EU, what else do you expect? European officials saying they're ditching Windows has become a ritual: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/german-open-source-expe... : > The German Foreign Office first moved over to Linux as a server platform in 2001... the Foreign Office of Germany made the announcement (translated news report) that it is migrating away from Linux back to Windows as its desktop solution. http…

The LiMux/Munich saga was actually successful to a large degree. What happened is that Microsoft put enormous efforts into killing it. High level people like Steve ballmer and Bill Gates made personal visits to Munich officials to win them back, Microsoft put a headquarters in Bavaria, and there were huge concessions. It's about as far as you can get from the image of empty promises and no action.

And the Microsoft headquarter of Germany is in Munich. Tha means also potential tax losses if Microsoft moves away.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by oaiey »

bigfudge wrote: post #161
raincole wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is EU, what else do you expect? European officials saying they're ditching Windows has become a ritual: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/german-open-source-expe... : > The German Foreign Office first moved over to Linux as a server platform in 2001... the Foreign Office of Germany made the announcement (translated news report) that it is migrating away from Linux back to Windows as its desktop solution. http…

Those attempts happened before the US really made such a concrete demonstration it was a security and strategic risk though. That was back in the good old days where they at least pretended to be strategic partners. It's good to be sceptical, but the US really does present a clear danger to the EU and UK now (and the rest of the world). I'm hopeful that this will actually materialise this time, and that Munich and Bi…

Yes. Back then it was anti-mega-cooperations/financial/pro-privacy stance, but now it is a sovereignity thing.

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by oaiey »

Departed7405 wrote: post #226
idoubtit wrote: post #108

The chain of facts makes me sad: 1. The French government announces its digital agency is to write a plan, by the end of the year, so that France could reduce its extra-European dependencies. The communiqué is wrapped up with minor facts (e.g. the digital agency is to switch to Linux on dozens of computers) and big promises from Ministers. 2. Various news sites state that "France is ditching Windows", at least in the…

France'a Gendarmerie (one of two branch of law-enforcement) has switched to linux for more than a decade. There is little reason to think they are bluffing. Furthermore, the groundwork has been laid for months, with forks being worked on. I understand your take generally, but here I don't understand the skepticism.

Not only that, they already built up Matrix for messaging which is already adopted elsewhere. They are doing the steps

Re: France's government is ditching Windows for Linux, says US tech a strategic risk

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Post by breppp »

bigfudge wrote: post #231
breppp wrote: post #223

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Generally speaking: Spain, Italy, Austria, France and Switzerland prevented the US from using its airbases or airspaces to transit their planes to the Middle East. The UK at times also blocked use of its air bases. France probably cut a separate deal with Iran, evident from the release of the French hostages, the call Macron had with the Iranian FM and the fact Iran lets their ship cross

At the beginning it was fairly clear to everyone outside the US that this was an illegal war of aggression. That we waited until Iran had struck Israel and gulf countries was at least a fig leaf for the pretence we were doing something reasonable. What source do you have for French ships being allowed to pass?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd8275jrrko
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