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AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Re: AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Post by balamatom »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #188
cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #147

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Corporations are not humans. And while sociopaths - who benefit the most from corporations - technically are humans, I don't consider them parts of humanity, more like a cancer tissue on top of it. So whatever benefit humanity gets is more than cancelled by the growing cancer.

So I am to assume you're not using LLMs yourself, or any technology employing those models in the pipeline (which at this point includes many features in smartphones made in the last 3 years)? If that's not the case, then you are a beneficiary too.

"Samantha Altgirl and the Involuntary Beneficiaries" (Russian doomer band)

Re: AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Post by balamatom »

cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #147
TeMPOraL wrote: post #95

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It's worth questioning the underlying assumptions. It's humans - all humans - that benefit from LLMs. I see a lot of people having this attitude, but I can't help but see it as really being about seeking credit instead of generosity, and/or Dog in the Manger mindset.

Corporations are not humans. And while sociopaths - who benefit the most from corporations - technically are humans, I don't consider them parts of humanity, more like a cancer tissue on top of it. So whatever benefit humanity gets is more than cancelled by the growing cancer.

The concept of "sociopaths" is more of a cop-out than anything.

It amounts to a (vaguely pseudoscientific) dehumanization of those whose modus operandi transgresses our values most severely.

Imagining a subset of the population as literal cancer cells does not help us understand better the systemic issue which makes those people benefit disproportionately from metahuman entities (such as corporations or political agglomerations).

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Post by odjeicjoejcje »

pdimitar wrote: post #197
kjkjadksj wrote: post #190

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You would have been better off reading good english literature to improve your own writing.

I can't turn back the clock and I will have to relay to my family that this month I'll get less money because I need to read English literature. We operate within our own time and energy budgets, man. I might never get to that literature. My peaceful times in life where I could chill and choose what to do are over and I don't expect them to ever come back. Though who knows.

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Re: AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Post by card_zero »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #188
cyclopeanutopia wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations are not humans. And while sociopaths - who benefit the most from corporations - technically are humans, I don't consider them parts of humanity, more like a cancer tissue on top of it. So whatever benefit humanity gets is more than cancelled by the growing cancer.

So I am to assume you're not using LLMs yourself, or any technology employing those models in the pipeline (which at this point includes many features in smartphones made in the last 3 years)? If that's not the case, then you are a beneficiary too.

Is the argument "LLMs must be greatly beneficial because they get everywhere"?

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

beej71 wrote: post #223
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #200

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Hm I gave the prompt: > Summarize a technique for type erasure as is done in C++. Assume that your audience is familiar with all of C++'s features, but not with the technique of type erasure. The briefer the summary, the better, but don't omit any essential pieces or use vague language. ChatGPT Plus generated a lot of text and code. Then I said: > Now please summarize using only a few sentences. and it replied: > Typ…

Is it pretty good, though? :) I wouldn't let that go out the door. Needs a *lot* of TLC.

Yes, it's missing a few important pieces. As is, it more describes how dynamic dispatch works.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

rdevilla wrote: post #7

This state of affairs presages the advent of a second dark age - one that will forever eclipse the era of radical openness & transparency that once served the software community for decades. Tips, tricks, life hacks and other expert techniques will once again be jealously guarded from the prying eyes of the LLM whok would steal their competitive advantage & replicate it at scale, until any possible information asymme…

Most people don't care, provably from historical data. And trying to keep secret knowledge is a losing battle; as the saying goes, three can keep a secret if two of them are dead.

Look how well that strategy served Claude with the recent source code leak

Re: AI may be making us think and write more alike

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Post by pdimitar »

odjeicjoejcje wrote: post #243
pdimitar wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't turn back the clock and I will have to relay to my family that this month I'll get less money because I need to read English literature. We operate within our own time and energy budgets, man. I might never get to that literature. My peaceful times in life where I could chill and choose what to do are over and I don't expect them to ever come back. Though who knows.

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I could tell you more and it would've been an interest conversation but not after that unbelievably rude comment. WTF.

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Post by hirako2000 »

azan_ wrote: post #162
hirako2000 wrote: post #133

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I reached the same conclusion. It also made me realised how most technologies degraded our lives. Before the TV people would go to the theatre. It's becoming hard to find a theatre these days. Artificial light is convenient, it made billion or people develop sleep disorder and we can't see stars at at night. Mass food production supposedly nourished more people: veggies today have 20% the minerals content they had 70…

> Mass food production supposedly nourished more people: veggies today have 20% the minerals content they had 70y ago..the list go on and on. I suggest you should have a look at malnutrition rates 100 years ago vs now. Without mass food production we would not be able to sustain even 50% of current population.

I have looked. Malnutrition has effected humanity throughout history. But it correlates more with systems than technological development.

I concede nutrient intake correlates with mass production we've seen in the last hundred years.

The argument is fallacious and prevails because it supports a certain narrative.

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Post by hirako2000 »

azan_ wrote: post #232
mountainb wrote: post #174

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Why would that be bad? Why is more better?

Do YOU want to die of starvation? Or are you ok with just others dying?

typical emotionally charged, false dichotomy.

To your question I'm not ok with either. We will likely ALL die from the impact of industrialization.

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Post by hirako2000 »

dasil003 wrote: post #155
hirako2000 wrote: post #133

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I reached the same conclusion. It also made me realised how most technologies degraded our lives. Before the TV people would go to the theatre. It's becoming hard to find a theatre these days. Artificial light is convenient, it made billion or people develop sleep disorder and we can't see stars at at night. Mass food production supposedly nourished more people: veggies today have 20% the minerals content they had 70…

I think it's more fair to say that with every technology there are tradeoffs. Consider the wheel, before the wheel people probably were more physically fit, but they couldn't move as large of loads. Well, except in the Andes where they figured out how to move gigantic stones well beyond the weight that any wooden wheel would have been able to carry anyway and cut and place them into configurations that were earthquak…

Everything has tradeoffs. I imply technology rarely yields a net positive. I could call out the positive, those are so obvious. It's the subtle cost of the benefits that almost never gets discussed.
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