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In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by samus »

ericd wrote: post #158
areoform wrote: post #123

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Most women have watched someone go through a difficult pregnancy in their lives before they hit 20. It's not a "belief" for the people who live through it. People used to die – frequently – from this "belief." And women still do.

The belief I was talking about was that that was at all representative of the median case, and the implication that it’s not worth the risk to have kids (this was before you added the big chunk about mortality being 4-10% in places without a good medical system ). I have first hand experience of some of the potential difficulties, so I know it happens, but I also know that it’s not every pregnancy, most are fine, and…

Evolution is not involved anymore in this since effective measures for birth control became available.

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Post by samus »

sph wrote: post #209
areoform wrote: post #55

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> Grunting out 2.6 babies before you’re 35. * destroying your body, stripping your bones, getting diabetes and temporarily (or permanently) disabling yourself with issues no healthcare provider will take seriously for decades to come for 2.6 babies in your youth. ––– Someone called this a "belief." There's a 10% to 4% probability that the average teenage girl will die from childbirth, given the cumulative risk of pre…

I wonder how humanity managed to survive until today having to deal with childbirth. Such a 2026 tech worker type of comment.

- reproductive drive being what makes biology and evolution work,

- no birth control,

- tacit toleration of rape in marriage, and

- no pension systems in preindustrial societies means that people without children are going to have a rough time in old age.

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Post by array_key_first »

felipeerias wrote: post #167
array_key_first wrote: post #153

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> There's only so many immigrants you can import before you lose your country's identity. Is this true? The US has been doing this for over 100 years and it's been fine, I think. I mean, our countries identity has basically become "we're all immigrants" but that's not a new phenomena.

The US implemented severe immigration restrictions in the 1920s that were lifted gradually over the 1950s–1960s.

Most people in the US are immigrants, including most white people. If not their parents, then their grandparents or their parents. Very, very few Americans have a lineage to the Revolution.

Re: In Japan, the robot isn't coming for your job; it's filling the one nobody wants

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Post by bigbadfeline »

samus wrote: post #240
bigbadfeline wrote: post #235

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> I said to myself to stop going, if there is no human staff left. Who do you trust more - the robots or the human staff? And I'm asking about America, or maybe, in Japan as foreigner? This is a complicated issue but it's in no way insignificant. A lot depends on the culture and current political environment - none of these is something that you or any common man can influence. The bigger question is, if Japan can us…

> Who do you trust more - the robots or the human staff? And I'm asking about America, or maybe, in Japan as foreigner? What do you mean with "trust"? Write down the right order? Or not spit in your food?

Both, mistakes or personal/ethnic/political dislike - not uncommon in these polarized times of "anything goes if you aren't caught".

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Post by sph »

DonsDiscountGas wrote: post #236
sph wrote: post #208

> filling the one [job] nobody wants. Time to share the meme again, sorry to my followers for reusing this joke: ‘I wanted a machine to do the dishes for me so I could concentrate on my art, and what I got was a machine to do the art so now I’m the one doing the dishes’ I’d be much happier with this AI revolution if I got a personal robot chef and house-keeper, while I could keep writing beautiful software. Now I’m l…

Mechanical dishwashers have existed for awhile. I guess they only do half the job and but we've had them for decades

You are not supposed to take ‘doing the dishes’ literally. The other time I posted this, I got the same superficial response. Read between the lines, man.

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Post by alex43578 »

laserlight wrote: post #201
alex43578 wrote: post #119

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Ok, but society can't bear the cost of $10M garbage men, so either people will do it themselves or go without. The same argument applies to any job: in most scenarios, it pays what it's worth to society at the market clearing price. The government can interfere via licensing, minimum wages, quotas, etc; but broadly the job pays what it's worth.

> pays what it's worth to society Pay and worth are different, just like price and value are. Garbage collection is worth a lot, but its pay is determined by market dynamics. As the number of unemployed increases, it will pay less.

You left out “at the market clearing price”, then described a scenario where the supply of labor increases and the price drops, proving my exact point.

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Post by shiroiuma »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #238
shiroiuma wrote: post #183

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I think in reality, it shouldn't be hard to find people willing to take out garbage by simply paying a little better than other manual-labor jobs. There's always going to be people who can't work other jobs for some reason, so if they're choosing between manual labor jobs, the one that pays more is going to be more attractive. They don't need to pay enough to hire a doctor, because not that many people can do high-va…

And there will always be people who think that driving around in a heated/air-conditioned truck with a big claw that picks up and empties the cans is a fun job and will happily do it at any reasonable pay level. Not everyone wants to work in an office; some people really like working outside and being indoors is like prison.

Those jobs require some physical handling of the garbage. That big claw doesn't always work as expected, and when things go wrong, they have to get out and clean up the mess. There's also items that don't fit in the can and have to be manually handled.

But you're right, the job isn't as bad as it used to be.

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Post by ericd »

samus wrote: post #241
ericd wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The belief I was talking about was that that was at all representative of the median case, and the implication that it’s not worth the risk to have kids (this was before you added the big chunk about mortality being 4-10% in places without a good medical system ). I have first hand experience of some of the potential difficulties, so I know it happens, but I also know that it’s not every pregnancy, most are fine, and…

Evolution is not involved anymore in this since effective measures for birth control became available.

Eh? Evolution functions whether procreation was intentional or not.

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Post by themaninthedark »

w4yai wrote: post #108
jazz9k wrote: post #66

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> In the US, native tribes get ubi when they turn 18. This is a myth; fact check please.

Tribes don't get UBI. There are payments from the casinos to the tribal members, it kinda looks like UBI from the outside.

When I worked as a cashier in Walmart, it was similar to tax refund day. With people buying the largest flat screen TV's and consoles.

There were some people who saved their money but the majority used it quickly.

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Post by laserlight »

alex43578 wrote: post #246
laserlight wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pays what it's worth to society Pay and worth are different, just like price and value are. Garbage collection is worth a lot, but its pay is determined by market dynamics. As the number of unemployed increases, it will pay less.

You left out “at the market clearing price”, then described a scenario where the supply of labor increases and the price drops, proving my exact point.

“Worth” and “at the market clearing price” are different concepts, which was my point. The job doesn't pay what it's worth, it pays the market price, which is determined by market dynamics, not how much people value it.
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