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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by whynotmaybe » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:14 PM UTC

xandrius wrote: post #176

mikkupikku wrote: post #159

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How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the go…

And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.

Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids.

It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by lmf4lol » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:14 PM UTC

surgical_fire wrote: post #187

jhrmnn wrote: post #102

It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.

Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

over and over again, we see that governments are pretty bad at doing their job. over and over again, they prove to us that they cant handle money, that they are corrupt, that they put the interest of their political class above that of the people.

so are you surprised?

id rather be left alone as much as possible in my pursuit of happiness. On my own terms!

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by pj_mukh » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:15 PM UTC

orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

How does a government express "anti-feminism". Surely you're not suggesting a reduction in voting power for women. So what else would make it seem "fair" to men in your mind?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by cjbgkagh » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:15 PM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #215

cjbgkagh wrote: post #190

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In measuring grips strength, which is a good proxy for general strength, 90% of females producing less force than 95% of males. In other words almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

If that factoid were at all important then the military should use grip strength to determine who to draft, not gender.

I’m vehemently against the draft in general. I saw this war coming over a decade ago and live as an expat in part to avoid being press ganged into drone target duty.

Grip strength is a proxy for general strength, and I think it’s safe to assume strength is important in combat.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:15 PM UTC

rvnx wrote: post #200

t0bia_s wrote: post #175

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What about man that has gender woman in papers?

Saved, can freely enjoy cocktails on the beach. The registered gender is the one that counts.

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Post by hartator » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:15 PM UTC

surgical_fire wrote: post #187

jhrmnn wrote: post #102

It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.

Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish? This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here. Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

How is refusing to kill your fellow men selfishness? For one organization over one other?

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by unsupp0rted » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

stickfigure wrote: post #170

unsupp0rted wrote: post #115

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That's a non-sequitur to the question. And the answer is that women are equal to men in all things, except when things get serious, and then all of a sudden biology matters again

> women are equal to men in all things, except in extreme circumstances when violence is required on a mass scale Fixed that for you.

Not only violence. There are plenty of concerning situations in which you all of a sudden stop putting middle-manager women in email jobs or HR/DEI finger-wagging jobs.

When things get existential, the jobs favored by men multiply and the jobs favored by women decrease. And nowhere more than in countries and societies which are highly feminist and supportive of women, which seems counterintuitive but isn't.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by tokai » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

rvnx wrote: post #196

analog31 wrote: post #164

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Can it be challenged under the European constitution?

I wouldn't trust the European Union to be the one that will challenge that German mobilization register at all. COVID-19 has proven that if anything, the European Union tends to spread national initiatives among other countries (and Germany is often a leader in EU). In this specific case, the EU is more likely to be the type of organization that would think about how to create a unified permit -> as they did with the…

Don't post made up lies here.

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Post by SauntSolaire » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #231

bilsbie wrote: post #225

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Seems crazy that women can vote to send men to war.

No crazier than that the old can vote to send the young to war.

A little crazier — the old were once young, and could have been voted into a war themselves.

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Post by huggerl88 » Sat, Apr 04, 2026, 5:16 PM UTC

orange_joe wrote: post #118

How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

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