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Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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I mean, they don't require gloves to be replaced in those situations because there isn't a good safety reason to. There's zero reason to replace your gloves when switching from dicing green peppers for a salad to picking up raw chicken. Or similarly between customers if you're just handling food, and not a cash register or anything. It's not like you're touching the customers ...

> There's zero reason to replace your gloves when switching from dicing green peppers for a salad to picking up raw chicken. Typo?

No typo. That's the direction that's safe.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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I do a medical procedure several times a week that requires gloves. If you don't flap your hands around for 30+ seconds, any remaining moisture from handwashing (or sweat) makes them stick to your skin and you wind up fighting them (and about half the time, ripping a hole). A towel is not enough.

I variously use nitrile, vinyl, and poly gloves when cooking messy things at home in bulk, like chicken, bacon, etc. I regularly pull them off to do something and then throw a new pair back on. They can be kinda sweaty and it's... fine. Zero problem whatsoever sliding on a new pair. I'm not doubting your personal experience. I'm just saying it's in no way a universal rule. I'm sure experiences will be different depen…

> But for me and for plenty of people I've worked with earlier in my life, swapping gloves was way faster and easier than washing hands again. Plus, washing your hands like 40 times in a shift is going to dry them out. It's not great.

You and your former coworkers must have magic lubricating sweat or something. I have literally never encountered someone with this opinion before in my life. And I was a combat medic before I was a line cook, so I think I know a thing or two about gloves. Even in the medical field, there were times when medics skipped the gloves because they were treating their buddies under fire and the time to get gloves on wasn't worth it to them (for anyone unfamiliar, gloves in field medicine are mostly about protecting the provider, not the patient).

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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> and part of that humility should involve being cautious about introducing them to our bodies and environment. What does that look like today, pragmatically speaking?

asking, for all tasks shown to introduce large amounts of microplastics in our bodies and environment, "can we accomplish this task in a way that doesn't introduce microplastics in our bodies and environment"? For example, using a reusable metal gourd instead of plastic water bottles for the task of 'portable hydration'. and because this is Hacker News, I'll kindly welcome the comment: 'well actually metal gourds hav…

I think we avoid the whole "personality responsibility" and "these paper straws fucking suck" angle with water bottles and the like and instead focus on "do we need a factory in China making 15,000,000 plastic trinkets for happy meals" or "does literally every single item for sale on the entire planet have to come in plastic wrapping", etc

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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So, I think that while it's true that we haven't really demonstrated any tangible harms of microplastics, and there is a lot of alarmism around it, I think the concern is more rational than it might appear. If it's true that microplastics are everywhere and in everything (which maybe that's now not actually the case), even a very small chance that there's some serious harm we're not aware of should be taken extremely…

I agree very strongly with intellectual humility. I just wish the microplastic fear mongerers would also take that lesson.

Given the track record of other things we introduced to the environment in mass quantities only to realize later were horrifyingly detrimental (CFCs and tetraethyl lead, etc) -- i think people are right that we should not take such a thing lightly

Not that it really matters, climate driven ecological collapse will probably make it irrelevant by the time it would matter

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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The various "OMG MICROPLASTICS" studies always smacked of alarmism. No one has actually identified tangible harms from microplastics; it's just taken as a given that they are bad. So this fueled a bunch of studies that tried to find them everywhere. Even the authors of this study go to great pains to not challenge the dogma that microplastics are existentially terrifying. So I fully expect we'll still be panicking ov…

Peter Attia (I know, but I trust his ability to synthesize medical research) did a whole deep dive on this and IIRC determined that for the most part, it wasn't a big concern for anyone with remotely normal consumption patterns.

Good, glad human consumers are the only life on earth that could be affected

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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Funnily, I believe the glove mandates for food prep are actually anti-hygiene. Unlike bare skin, you can't really feel when your gloves are contaminated. So you are less likely to replace gloves when you should. With bare hands, you can feel the raw chicken juices on you, so it's pretty natural to want to wash your hands right after handling the raw chicken. Gloves are important in medicine, but that's with proper us…

> So you are less likely to replace gloves when you should. To the contrary. You take off and throw out your gloves every time you finish doing something with raw meat. It's procedure. It's habit. You're never relying on "feel" to determine whether there are "raw chicken juices on you". Using "feel" is not reliable. I don't know why you think food service workers aren't constantly putting on new gloves, but doctors a…

Just typical "programmer thinks they know how to do every job, especially the ones they've never done"

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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Studies are extremely difficult to get right. I'm generally a little bit skeptical of data for this reason.

A bit of a tangent but still on the subject of environmental pollution; the other day I found out that CO2 sensor sensitivity naturally drifts over time... So when a CO2 sensor is replaced for long term climate research, if they try to calibrate the new sensor to the old one at the time of replacement, the drift would be carried over into the new sensor even if no actual real change of CO2 occurred... Apparently there are standards to prevent this but mistakes have been identified multiple times with the methodology for setting that standard... Anyway measuring data accurately is really hard.

People do not appreciate correctness enough.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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Luckily HN software developers, the foremost authority on literally every subject imaginable, are here to bless the world with their insights.

You joke, but given that SWE/AI researchers literally invented AI that does everything else for them and is often super-human at intelligence across most things, I would unironically prefer the opinion of the creator of such a system over most others for most things.

Oh wow I've never seen such a prime specimen in the wild. I feel like you be pinned to a piece of cardboard in a drawer somewhere.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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The various "OMG MICROPLASTICS" studies always smacked of alarmism. No one has actually identified tangible harms from microplastics; it's just taken as a given that they are bad. So this fueled a bunch of studies that tried to find them everywhere. Even the authors of this study go to great pains to not challenge the dogma that microplastics are existentially terrifying. So I fully expect we'll still be panicking ov…

Testosterone is down by about half since 1970. (Unclear if related, but I think a bunch of these plastics are endocrine disruptors.)
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