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Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by dotancohen »

surgical_fire wrote: post #221
dotancohen wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because the destruction of the state of Israel is clearly stated in the Hamas charter. As is massacre of Jews. If you don't know this, then you probably shouldn't have such strong opinions on the topic.

Yes, nothing to do with the interference on Iran from the US since the coup in 1953. Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception, not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population. If you don't know this, then you probably should cut your bullshit. Who am I kidding? Of course you know this. You just choose to ignore it.

  > Nothing to do with how aggressive and expansionist Israel has been since its inception,
Israel has been expansionist only during active wars started by her neighbours. Arabs kill people, Jews counter by taking the land used to kill her citizens, and people like you decide that land is more important than life.

Then when Arabs invade Israel, and publish maps of areas they have considered, and Israel goes in to rescue her hostages, suddenly life is more valuable than land and Israel is at fault again.

  > not to mention how it abuses and oppresses the Palestinian population.
The only oppression the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Israel are measures that Israel has taken to defend her citizens. The Palestinians themselves will tell you that they suffer far more from their own leaders and from the neighbouring Arab states, than from Israel.

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by dotancohen »

donkeybeer wrote: post #232
dotancohen wrote: post #229

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You are correct, words are not violence. Arming the Huthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and various Iraqi militias _is_ violence. When an aggressor with a history of violence says that they are coming for you next, it is prudent to believe them. Iran has been chanting Death To America and Death To Israel for decades. They have been attacking Israel and are developing technology to attack the United States. It is the United Sta…

Most importantly, Iran has always complied with audits to its nuclear program. I would much more urgently worry about the only country in the middle east that lies about having nukes, refuses to get them audited and continually starts wars with anyone and everyone, and proclaims everything under the sun as "antisemitism" and then gins up military action against supposed "antisemites" whenever it can. Hundreds of ille…

I know who you are implying, so go ahead and mention a single war that they have started.

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by dotancohen »

donkeybeer wrote: post #231
dotancohen wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct, words are not violence. Arming the Huthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, and various Iraqi militias _is_ violence. When an aggressor with a history of violence says that they are coming for you next, it is prudent to believe them. Iran has been chanting Death To America and Death To Israel for decades. They have been attacking Israel and are developing technology to attack the United States. It is the United Sta…

Iran is violent...to its own people yes. If we want to play the proxy game then there is an unending list of proxies used by the USA all over the world to commit terrorism and war. Then by that the USA and Israel should be nuked multiple times over in proportion with the extreme level of proxy violence they commit. Since you haven't said this about the USA, then I will have no choice but to say you are lying about Ir…

I'll bite. Maybe I'm ignorant. Who are the US proxies committing terrorism and war?

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by dotancohen »

tremon wrote: post #219
dotancohen wrote: post #88

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In what part of the world does the populace not suffer for the incompetence of their leaders? St. Petersburg? Ramallah? Port Au Prince?

The obvious and flippant answer to that would be "the parts of the world that do not have incompetent leaders". But that will only lead to the incredulous claiming that all governments are equally incompetent (yet some are more incompetent than others) and that's not a discussion I'm inclined to entertain.

I happen to agree with you on that point.

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

disqard wrote: post #230
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #213

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The US does not have a legal avenue for cancelling elections regardless of circumstances without a constitutional amendment. It cannot happen under any conditions or circumstances. To do so would basically be an open announcement of dictatorship and - more than we have already - the end of rule of law and a likely civil war.

You are more confident about this than I am. Let's revisit this comment in December. I truly hope you are proved right by history, but I'm concerned.

I didn't say they wouldn't actually try / do it. Just being clear that the US does not define any legal avenue whatsoever.

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by dizhn »

fundad wrote: post #214
jordanb wrote: post #111

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It would really be amazing if the end result of all of this is the post-9/11 DHS finally gets reverted back to what we had before.

An amazing start.

Some airports started allowing bottled water already. We'll be back to pre 9/11 levels in 40 or so years.

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by donkeybeer »

dotancohen wrote: post #243
donkeybeer wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is violent...to its own people yes. If we want to play the proxy game then there is an unending list of proxies used by the USA all over the world to commit terrorism and war. Then by that the USA and Israel should be nuked multiple times over in proportion with the extreme level of proxy violence they commit. Since you haven't said this about the USA, then I will have no choice but to say you are lying about Ir…

I'll bite. Maybe I'm ignorant. Who are the US proxies committing terrorism and war?

You really don't know about Contra? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

It was a really massive thing.

or the Mujahiddeen.

Oh look, the list is so long there's an entire article about it, fun:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponso...

So tell me, if Israel is justified in invading Iran due to alleged proxies of Iran attacking them, would you agree that all these countries should invade the United States?

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by donkeybeer »

dotancohen wrote: post #242
donkeybeer wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most importantly, Iran has always complied with audits to its nuclear program. I would much more urgently worry about the only country in the middle east that lies about having nukes, refuses to get them audited and continually starts wars with anyone and everyone, and proclaims everything under the sun as "antisemitism" and then gins up military action against supposed "antisemites" whenever it can. Hundreds of ille…

I know who you are implying, so go ahead and mention a single war that they have started.

This very war being one?

Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by terminalshort »

tombert wrote: post #226
intended wrote: post #180

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Democracy is a collective thing. Americans may strongly believe in individualism, but democracy is a collective responsibility. Its kind of a key design feature.

I guess? I mean I actively did not want this president. I actively voted for someone else. I tried to get people to not vote for him, though I doubt I was successful at that task. I suppose I do still pay my taxes and as such I'm still kind of funding this stupid unnecessary war, but I don't think it's entirely fair to judge me just because I live in a country where demagoguery appears to be in vogue. Don't get me wr…

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Re: Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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Post by tencentshill »

briansm wrote: post #194
briantakita wrote: post #101

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We already won. Are you tired of winning yet?

I keep reading this, is it meant to be a joke? What is being won?

It's the only thing he knows. Declare victory, never admit losing anything, ever.

"Dobias later said that young Trump “always had to be number one, in everything. He was a conniver, even then. A real pain in the ass. He would do anything to win” (D’Antonio, Never Enough, 43)."

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