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OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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I'm gonna keep saying this forever - there are two obvious "killer apps" for crypto: 1. Semi-private blockchains, where you can rely on an actor not to be actively malicious, but still want to be able to cryptographically hold them to a past statement (think banks settling up with each other) 2. NFTs for tracking physical products through a logistics supply chain. Every time a container moves from one node to the nex…

AFAIK both of these use cases had many millions of invested dollars dumped into them during the Blockchain hype and neither resulted in anything. It might not be an exact match for (1), but there was famously the ASX blockchain project[0] which turned out to be a total failure. For (2), IBM made "Farmer Connect"[1], which is now almost entirely scrubbed from their website, which promised to do supply chain logistics…

> ASX blockchain project[0] which turned out to be a total failure.

FWIW if you know anything about the ASX, you'll know that the failure was a result of the people running the ASX and not necessarily the tech behind it.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.

The first company to deliver a truly secure Claw is going to make millions of dollars. I have no idea how anyone is going to do that.

The same way as delivering a "truly secure human". Which is of course impossible, that's why spies, double agents and even triple agents exist and have succeeded to do their job. And that's despite an enormous number of guardrails meant to prevent exactly that.

And simply "secure enough" doesn't help much either, because whereas a single human spy can only do so much damage, if an LLM is given access to everything in one way or another - which is the whole concept - then the potential damage is boundless.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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It's governments that tend to declare war and kill people.

Millions of people die every year from tobacco, and tobacco companies fought for decades to deny their product causes cancer. In the 20th century alone it's estimated something like 100 million people died world wide thanks to smoking. That's just one example off the top of my head. There are countless others involving corporations killing people either directly or indirectly in the pursuit of profits. And that's bef…

We have governments to stop the obvious ones like tobacco too.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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This sounded cool up until the part where they said "instead use this other AI we built that we say is more trustworthy".

There's a growing part of me that really wants a massive security/safety disaster that's clearly caused by AI so that everyone will shake it off and it will resettle into something at least halfway reasonable. I mean a watershed event like a Triangle Shirtwaist or thalidomide or Therac-25 or Hindenburg type incident that makes people shift their mindset to where they are reflexively skeptical of AI because they assume its risks outweigh its benefits.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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> why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. This AI wave is filled with "ideas guys/gals" who thought they had an amazing awesome idea and if only they knew how to program they could make a best-selling billion dollar idea, being confronted with the reality that their ideas are really uninteresting as well. They're still happy to…

I have "new genius" ideas very often. After doing quick search I discover that any idea worth thinking of implementation is either implemented already or what seems to be low barrier to entry clashes with some legal obstacles.

Hmm I often have ideas that I don't see anywhere else but I'm just in it for rent curiosity and learning. I absolutely hate the business side and usually I do stuff for free just so I don't have to complicate my taxes.

So being an entrepreneur would never work for me.

Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream

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Some of it is lack of imagination, but some of it is because many truly visionary examples would largely sound stupid to most of today's audience. Imagine it's 2007 and you're explaining how the smartphone will change society over the next 20 years: - A photo sharing app will change restaurants, public spaces, and the entire travel industry across the world - The smartphone will bring about regime change in Egypt, Tu…

None of these actually were hard to sell. In 2007 we had mobile phones, we had mp3 players (the iPod was actually very good), we had CouchSurfing, etc. I think the smart phone revolution is actually pretty overstated. It basically only made computers cheaper and handier to carry (but also more walled gardens). There are a few capabilities of smart phones we do today which we didn’t with do with computers and mobile p…

I used to have PDAs with Windows Mobile, hmm even a BlackBerry. Oh gosh, navigation apps were absolutely crap back then, screens were crap, cameras were crap. Video calls via "3g", if any of your friends/family also had a 3g-capable phone, maybe it worked, experience you couldn't compare to FaceTime. iPhone/Android, really brought a new life into this ecosystem.

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Even the navigation part, I'm not so sure. I remember Dad would bring a laptop when we would drive new places and it would be running Microsoft Streets and Trips with a GPS dongle, and I think that have been late 90s or early 00s. I remember seeing other people do that and by the time I was driving a lot in 07 I remember having a dash mounted GPS, maybe a Magellan or Garmin, that didn't cost that much and again I rem…

I think you lived in a strange bubble when you were a kid. When I was a teenager in the 90s, we'd have paper maps that we'd bring with us. We had no GPS. I don't think we knew what GPS was. In the late 90s we'd print out directions from MapQuest. That was a game-changer. Still no GPS, though. As an adult in the early 00s, I was still printing out MapQuest maps. In 2004 I got a car with a built-in navigation system! (…

Wardriving with a car + GPS and Atheros Wifi adapter and Pringles antenna, oh sweet 90s/00s.
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