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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by mikkupikku »

brightball wrote: post #232
mikkupikku wrote: post #219

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Iran shooting back after being attacked validates the decision to attack them in the first place? "supposed to be allowed to have." Ridiculous premise. They armed themselves thusly because American politicians have been singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!" for generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_Iran

Right. Under sanctions to prevent them from being a danger to everyone around them while they sponsor terror globally and go on TV talking about getting nuclear weapons to destroy Israel. Most of Europe is within striking distance of their current capabilities that they were not supposed to have. Treaties gave terms to limit the range of their missiles. Treaties were agreed to to prevent them from enriching uranium.…

The real dangers to peace in the Middle East are America, Israel and historically the British, because these three are the bastards that toppled Iran's democracy and lead them to such a defensive posture in the first place. With the utmost respect, kindly blow your judeo-american sanctions out your ass. America should have NOTHING to do with Iran whatsoever, we don't have any moral right to intervention here.

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Post by Pay08 »

jacquesm wrote: post #75
roysting wrote: post #60

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It’s rather ironic that you would make this kind of comment at the same time as your other comment (I happened to notice) about the pen being mightier than the sword, considering that it’s light skinned Iranians (including literal Aryans) being killed by a hodgepodge of skin colors in Israel and among the US troops assembled for invasion and who will die killing the light(er) skinned Iranians. Although the American t…

Anything other than lily white is brown, don't you know? More so if they're sitting on top of a bunch of oil, or have the wrong religion, or just happen to be born in the wrong spot. Racism isn't necessarily perfectly confined to color, it's just a convenient shorthand so people can do what they want to do anyway.

I'd love to read a proper analysis on Americans reducing race and racism to colouring books with pretty little lines. I did read one recently, but it put the onus for it entirely on BLM (since it was focused on a global scale), despite the phenomenon being far older than them.

I do sometimes wonder how Americans would react if I told them the palest person I know is Iraqi.

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Post by samus »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #103
raincole wrote: post #23

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4geg0eeyjeo > Before the war, about 138 ships passed through the strait each day according to the Joint Maritime Information Centre, carrying one fifth of the global oil supply. > The data provided by shipping analysts Kpler shows 99 vessels passing the narrow strait so far this month, an average of just 5-6 vessels a day. I mean, it's bad, but it's factually not a minefield. The th…

> I mean, it's bad, but it's factually not a minefield. That's not clear. Mines are generally concealed. It's the reason that mine-sweeping is slow and dangerous. And there's no public information (AFAIK) that let's us rule out mines having been, or even currently being, laid.

The risk of being targeted by missiles or drones works just as well. There is a reason NATO has to patrol the Red Sea with warships.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

15155 wrote: post #218
fc417fc802 wrote: post #213

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No sir that's not a school we're proposing to bomb, it's a complex containing both a school and a vehicle maintenance facility. So it's mixed, meaning there's valid logistical reasons to attack it. Yes, hundreds of children will perish in the attack, but the action will also provide us with legitimate benefits. Just try not to think about the former and focus on the latter. I'm sure no one in the future will judge us…

So an automatic cheat code to win any and all conflicts is simply to put strategic assets in schools?

Is that what the Japanese were doing? (Bit of a pointless diversion though because this is a nuclear bomb we're talking about here. Not exactly a surgical strike.)

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Post by lukan »

Pay08 wrote: post #194
galactus wrote: post #117

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I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible

How would you like a country to respond to getting bombed?

Destroy the bombers, not children?

Also I am confused which contry you mean, mutual bombing has going on there since a while.

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Post by z3phyr »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #159
galactus wrote: post #117

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I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible

What if it happens as a result of trying to hold someone worse responsible?

Sovereignty. You only get to hold responsibility of your own citizens, like Jeffery Epstein AND his supporters. You do that right, and then maybe then people will like you as the world police.

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

mhb wrote: post #236
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #200

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Because that was not the subject of the conversation. Iran's military killing civilians is bad, but that does not somehow justify also killing their civilians. WTF even is your logic?

The US made a mistake while attempting to ensure that insane theocrats who are close to building nuclear weapons are not able to. The fondest wish of the religious lunatics in charge of Iran (and we know this because they have told us) is to annihilate the US and Israel. They have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. These dots don't seem hard to connect.

> who are close to building nuclear weapons

This is a lie. Not only is it not the stated purpose of the war, even Netanyahu himself went out of the way to say that Iran had no remaining capability to accomplish this and that was not why they were invaded.

> They currently have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe.

The US demonstrated its missiles can reach schools in Iran. Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #205
mhb wrote: post #199

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With this reasoning, how do you make any decisions in your everyday life? Does everything look like a morally relativistic gray to you?

??? Do most of your everyday life decisions involve starting wars or killing people? That's concerning. Are you a high-ranking officer in the US military? As it happens, I'm not, and my decisions do not typically have life-or-death consequences. I also don't even know what you're getting at. There was nothing "relativistic" or "morally grey" about my argument. My point is that in order for any kind of peace to exist,…

But if you're getting attacked for 4 decades by another country, do you do something about it or are you saying that's also wrong?

My understanding is that the regime in Iran has been terrorizing around the world for decades. It's not just disagreeable. People are seeking justice.

It's one thing to dislike another politician. No one needs justice for repugnancy. But if they are committing acts of terror, that's a totally different thing.

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Post by mhb »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #205
mhb wrote: post #199

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With this reasoning, how do you make any decisions in your everyday life? Does everything look like a morally relativistic gray to you?

??? Do most of your everyday life decisions involve starting wars or killing people? That's concerning. Are you a high-ranking officer in the US military? As it happens, I'm not, and my decisions do not typically have life-or-death consequences. I also don't even know what you're getting at. There was nothing "relativistic" or "morally grey" about my argument. My point is that in order for any kind of peace to exist,…

I didn't think the point was that subtle. There is good and evil, right and wrong, survival and destruction. You seem to think that drawing a line around some land and calling yourself a country immunizes you from the moral scrutiny of your neighbors.

While this certainly accords with the promulgations of the morally bankrupt UN, it is not a recipe for existing in our world. This is why it is important to have a powerful military.

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